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re: Hospital nurse arrested after refusing illegal blood draw order
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:25 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:25 am to NYNolaguy1
I cant see this ending well for that pile of shite.
As the husband of a nurse, nurses take their jobs seriously, they are taught to follow procedures. These procedures are in place for reasons, I would be a dollar to a donut that the hospital and police dept have been in hot water over improper collection of samples before..if not them, another hospital and department have been.
Nurses are responsible for many things besides changing bedpans, protecting the health and welfare of their patients should be paramount to all. Hell, my wife has had to defy MD orders that were given incorrectly, she isnt going to back down to a cop.
As the husband of a nurse, nurses take their jobs seriously, they are taught to follow procedures. These procedures are in place for reasons, I would be a dollar to a donut that the hospital and police dept have been in hot water over improper collection of samples before..if not them, another hospital and department have been.
Nurses are responsible for many things besides changing bedpans, protecting the health and welfare of their patients should be paramount to all. Hell, my wife has had to defy MD orders that were given incorrectly, she isnt going to back down to a cop.
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:25 am to AbitaFan08
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Goddamn that is one lucky nurse. She's about to get a huge payday.
nah. What are her damages?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:26 am to Jon Ham
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Please tell me this cop has been fired.
I'm actually starting to think its not completely his fault.
The watch commander told him to arrest her if he cant get blood samples, even though he knew there was no warrant, and no probable cause. The cop should have said "thats illegal" and he should be punished for that, but the real fault lies with the watch officer, who most likely will get at worst a reprimand with a paid leave (vacation).
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:26 am to SabiDojo
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Most states have mandatory blood draws in those types of crashes.
Apparently Utah does not.
Louisiana does.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:26 am to Pepe Lepew
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I see money in her future.
I bet qualified immunity prevents her from ever getting a damn. It's the worst judicially-created doctrine ever, IMO. But, it's there, and it's going to stop her from getting a penny.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:26 am to magildachunks
quote:It's pretty clear the watch commander was guiding the cop and the hospital administrator was advising the nurse. The responsibility lies there . The forceful "detainment" of the nurse was just the cops ego run riot. He could have calmly handled this and avoided the bad publicly and potential monetary cost this event will lead to.
He arrested her because the hospital administrator told him over the phone he was making a mistake and then told him no.
Hopefully the cop's next gig is as the security guard at that hospital to which he is almost qualified for
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:26 am to NYNolaguy1
Ah, see that's why I'm asking
Not probable cause
Not probable cause
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:26 am to tigerfoot
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they are taught to follow procedures
Do these clowns posing as officers think that hospital administrators pull policies and procedures out of their asses? I guarantee that the hospital admins know a lot more about healthcare law than these buffoons.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:27 am to moneyg
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What are her damages?
False arrest, loss of pay, mental anguish, loss of freedom...
Not to mention the hospital could possibly sue for loss of manpower (maybe).
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:28 am to NYNolaguy1
Um we draw blood from unconscious trauma patients all the time even when none of those things apply...good for that nurse tho
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:28 am to Mike da Tigah
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We are all in trouble when the police don't even know the law, or at least make a call for clarification of the law before an arrest is made.
Police officers don't have time to make calls about "the law", they do what's necessary for them to go home to their families at night. Sometimes that involves arresting a nurse, sometimes it involves kidnapping and raping citizens. You don't question them cause you haven't been there, pussy.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:29 am to FalseProphet
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I bet qualified immunity prevents her from ever getting a damn.
I dunno about that... would a reasonable officer understand the law differently? I would like to think most reasonable officers know the law better than him.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:30 am to NYNolaguy1
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I'm actually starting to think its not completely his fault. The watch commander told him to arrest her if he cant get blood samples, even though he knew there was no warrant, and no probable cause. The cop should have said "thats illegal" and he should be punished for that, but the real fault lies with the watch officer, who most likely will get at worst a reprimand with a paid leave (vacation).
It is his fault. You have the responsibility and the right to say no to unlawful orders.
I don't care if your commander ordered the code red, you still carry responsibility to not break the law.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:30 am to Epic Cajun
quote:That looked like a pretty big unit, I am sure this has come up more than a few times.
I guarantee that the hospital admins know a lot more about healthcare law than these buffoons.
My wife was an ER nurse for a bunch of years, the cops and nurses all were real good friends...I cant imagine a situation where this would happen. Hell, my wife never even got speeding tickets if she had her ER badge in sight.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:31 am to Golfer
quote:i don't know anything. I'm just imagining probable cause is tricky with auto accidents
You realize the cops were in pursuit of the driver of the vehicle who died at the scene after hitting a truck driver who was an off duty cop?
I ran a red light accidentally the other day...if I hit someone is that cause? What about a rolling stop at a stop sign?
I prefer caution when it comes to the 4th but my point was not knowing anything about the accident it's not cut and dry. Regardless, arresting the nurse was an abuse of authority.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:31 am to LZ83
quote:the Officer on Duty at the Hospital should have arrested the detective. The guys who are stationed there are well versed in the rules and regs about all that.
The hospital administration should have stepped up and defended her.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:33 am to magildachunks
quote:Exactly.
It is his fault. You have the responsibility and the right to say no to unlawful orders.
This cop is responsible for his actions, period. Once again, there was no reason to escalate to this point. There was no threat to anyone or anything except his ego.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:36 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
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Um we draw blood from unconscious trauma patients all the time even when none of those things apply...good for that nurse tho
You draw blood alcohol levels for LE?
Obviously you can draw labs needed to help save that person's life.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:36 am to tigerfoot
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Wubbels, whose maiden name is Alex Shaffers, was a two-time Olympian in alpine skiing, competing in the 1998 and 2002 Winter Olympics. She credits the toughness she learned from being an Olympic athlete for getting her through the ordeal.
Interesting.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:38 am to Epic Cajun
At the beginning of the video, she's listing the procedures that the police department agreed to
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