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re: Hannigriff "How much will LSU's offense improve in 3rd scrimmage?"
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:14 pm to airfernando
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:14 pm to airfernando
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OL is not average. That is idiotic. They aren't great, but they are a little above average
Our problem was and still is pass blocking by the tackles. We lost 3 of our 4 best guys on the whole line in the offseason and moved Clapp to center. Now we have guards with damn near no experience, 2 mediocre pass blocking tackles and Clapp who is obviously not as good as Pocic was at center, because well, he hasn't played at center. Don't forget that depth has pretty much gone to shite as well.
Who knows how they will fair during the season, but for right now our OL is mediocre based on what we know.
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How would you possibly know? You been to all the practices? Have you seen them in games lately?
You don't think several years of watching them play is enough? I'm high on Edwards-Helaire, but the drop off from Guice to the next 2 backs in line is pretty damn big. Guice is on a level around Fournette and the #2 and #3 are far behind.
Don't kid yourself.
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hyperbole
LSU has one returning WR with more than 5 catches. The WRs returning have a total of 36 catches. If that's not eye popping in the bad way, IDK what is. Oh and as a little extra, LSU lost 5 of its top 6 pass catchers.
Seriously I don't understand what's with the lying to yourself so many of you are doing. LSU has its least experienced and least deep offensive unit since 2014. Just hope it does alright. Don't act like it's better than what it actually looks like right now.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 7:24 pm
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:24 pm to Datbayoubengal
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You don't think several years of watching them play is enough?
Did you watch last year games 1-4 vs 5-12? Top 25 offense post the firing. Same team and talent last year, we get rid of the anchor, and we immediately smash the total yards in a game record to be followed by individual records quickly thereafter.
So yeah I don't put much weight in the extrapolating the Miles era. It was a monumental waste of talent. We saw immediate dividends with simply changing the plays and executing the same basic plays.
Add in a proven OC and I don't think prior years is a good comparison. Yes, there is a lack of experience but we are littered with 4 and 5 stars and may very well have coaches now that can exploit that talent.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Canada can certainly help a lot, but as someone who roots for a team that has had atrocious Oline woes for 5+ years, there is only so much that can be done.
What LSU team have you been watching? The offensive line last season was rated as the consensus best offensive line in the country? It may not have been effective against Alabama last season, but that wasn't because the offensive line wasn't great, as it was due to the Less Mile's antiquated offense we were still forced to play last season even after Miles was thankfully fired.
Indeed, Alabama obviously knew the offense's plays coming before the ball was snapped. Give them that advantage and they will make any offensive line, no matter how great it is, look like crap.
However, those days are finally over, as Canada's offense is designed to keep defenses on their heels by keeping them guessing with tons and tons of motions and shifts and with misdirection. Thus, I'm holding out hope that we will be as successful as Ole Miss was on the offensive side of the ball when it played Alabama, but with a hell of a lot better defense.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Yet here you are now propping up spreads and o/u win totals as evidence of what kind of year LSU is going to have
Wrong. I am correcting that other dumbass that said LSU win total is artificially higher because the public over values LSU and I said that's retarded that Vegas won't set a line a game and a half higher because of the public over valuing them. My evidence to the contrary that the win total should not be 7.5 wins is the fact that LSU will be favored in at least 10 games and possibly 11. That in no way, shape, form or fashion is a prediction on my part of how I think LSU will perform on the field in 2017.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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some of you really are thick as shite
You obviously think your negative shite doesn't stink, but it stinks to high heaven.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:40 pm to TrueTigerTale
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They really don't know... but 0 Td's , 2 interceptions for LSU's 1st string QB will sort of depress a reason to be excited.
Even when they were practicing some certain situations to see if the defense could stop it? Man...some of you people are more than a little lost.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I mean we'll see but I look at this LSU team and i see the least amount of talent as we've had in quite awhile. I would even say a couple of the Dinardo teams had fewer question marks than we do this year.
I hope you're right, i really do.
That loon's problem is he doesn't have Less Miles holding his hand this season, so he is scared like a little pussy..............................cat.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I'm more worried about how badly our defense is going to assfrick everyone this year.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:51 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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You can't say that those guys have talent but can't get us to the promise land in the same sentence.
They haven't played yet so you have no leverage saying they can't do it. You can say they have to prove it but you can't say they are not capable of it.
Also you claim guice is talented enough to get us to the promise land but where is your evidence to that affect? If you say that the kids that haven't played yet can't take us there (even if they haven't had the chance to prove it yet) then you can't say guice can take us there either cuz...well.... he hasn't yet.
Your logic is flawed and dumb.
Your stance can either be we have no talent OR that we are unproven but talented. You can't say this is the worst team ever AND we have talent. Those two ideas don't mesh.
Look, man, this guy hates Coach O with a passion and loved Less Miles more than he loved screwing his girl friend. It's not about a lack of talent, it's about his idol being gone and about Coach O at the helm of this edition of the LSU Fighting Tigers.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:58 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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And if you put a gun to my head i'd still go with the guy who won 114 games here, flaws and all.
Pardon this guy, his nose is still stuck glued up Less Miles's arse. Indeed, like I said, that's what all of this brain damage is all about. He is still grieving that his idol has been shite canned. Poor thing.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:20 pm to igoringa
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Top 25 offense post the firing. Same team and talent last year, we get rid of the anchor, and we immediately smash the total yards in a game record to be followed by individual records quickly thereafter.
Where did you get that we were a top 25 offense post firing? Did you only take our offensive numbers and get that total because that's not right. You would have to go through every team (at least in the top 60 or so), and do that for a comparison. Even so you are excluding Wisconsin who was the 6th best defense last year and Auburn who was a top 25 defense. Wisconsin finished 4th and Auburn 7th in scoring defense. Obviously that'll make O's numbers better because they didn't play tough arse defenses. Florida and Bama made LSU look like chumps. We feasted on extremely terrible defenses during O's stretch.
Arkansas 85th scoring D 75th total D
Mizzu 89th scoring D 118th total D
Ole Miss 100th scoring D 110th total D
That wasn't what having a changing of OC did, that is what having two top 10 NFL RB picks did. Guice put up 285 yards and 4 TDs vs TAMU, Fournette put up 310 yards and 3 TDs vs Ole Miss, and both Guice and Fournette combined for 394 yards and 5 TDs vs Arkansas. Don't forget 418 rushing yards vs Mizzu by doing absolutely nothing fancy.
Fournette's first 7 carries vs Ole Miss went for 264 yards. What does that have to do with the change in OC? Guice had two 250+ yards games, Fournette had three 220+ yard games the year prior. In one game he had a 79 yarder called back that would have put him over 300 rushing. In another game he had 223 yards with 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and sat down. Did the same vs USCe with 160 yards with 10 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter. He had 180 vs UF. Miles and him chose not to run him any more, that's your answer for him not destroying record books in 2015 (even though he did a bit).
LSU had 624 total yards vs USCe in 2015 along with 638 yards vs Texas Tech. They had 508 vs Ole Miss and 485 vs Auburn. Harris had 3 TDs vs UC and Bama, Etling had zero. STOP ACTING LIKE THEY WERENT DOING THIS shite IN 2015.
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So yeah I don't put much weight in the extrapolating the Miles era. It was a monumental waste of talent. We saw immediate dividends with simply changing the plays and executing the same basic plays.
LOL, no we didn't. We saw the same shite we saw the year before only Etling threw passes a tiny bit more per game than Harris.
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Add in a proven OC and I don't think prior years is a good comparison. Yes, there is a lack of experience but we are littered with 4 and 5 stars and may very well have coaches now that can exploit that talent.
I'll wait and see. We have tons of talent but nearly all of it is super inexperienced. If we lose Guice at any point in the season, our offense will turn into shite.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:20 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Our problem was and still is pass blocking by the tackles. We lost 3 of our 4 best guys on the whole line in the offseason and moved Clapp to center. Now we have guards with damn near no experience, 2 mediocre pass blocking tackles and Clapp who is obviously not as good as Pocic was at center, because well, he hasn't played at center. Don't forget that depth has pretty much gone to shite as well.
Who knows how they will fair during the season, but for right now our OL is mediocre based on what we know.
Three or four guys? I want what you are smoking. You obviously, don't know what you are talking about. In fact, our offensive line was rated as the consensus best offensive line in the country last season and will be more than adequate this season. As Canada's offensive schemes aren't dependent upon the offensive line play nearly as much as Less Miles' offensive lines were in any event, as it employs shifts, motions, and misdirection to keep defenses on their heels and guessing, and pass plays are designed to pass protect the quarterback via quick short passes, shuttle passes, roll outs, and play action.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
A lot on here cant stand a realist. You must act like O was a great hire and the O line and qb situation will be just fine because we hired Canada. If you don't think like you are not a real fan.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:40 pm to Brazos
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A lot on here cant stand a realist. You must act like O was a great hire and the O line and qb situation will be just fine because we hired Canada. If you don't think like that you are not a real fan.
Drac has a right to his opinion of LSU football in 2017, just don't imply that it's all based on facts.
All of these guys starting for LSU come with sterling credentials on offense and defense, they just don't all have the big stats in college yet. That doesn't make them losers for this LSU team.
Amazing how many players in the past, didn't start for LSU, didn't have the stats in college, but still made it in the pros. Proves my point. Chill, everything will be fine.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:43 pm to TrueTigerTale
Honestly I do not care to see Etling. Etling is not going to get us to the promise land.
Etling has a noodle of arm.
I want to see Brennan or Lowell.
Etling has a noodle of arm.
I want to see Brennan or Lowell.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:54 pm to DALSU
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Honestly I do not care to see Etling. Etling is not going to get us to the promise land. Etling has a noodle of arm. I want to see Brennan or Lowell.
I'm patient, and willing to wait to give Etling a chance, this is his first opportunity in a diverse offense. What should interest you, is what happens when LSU has a close game where Etling struggles some, usually every QB does, and defense has to win it.
What will the LSU coaching staff do, will they be patient and depend on their mighty defense to win it, or will they risk a turnover by inserting a freshman like Brennan?
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:44 pm to TrueTigerTale
Coach O calls scrimmages pre season for a reason. They don't mean anything other than to get everything in place for regular season. It's not to inflate states.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:58 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Take away Key, Aranda, and Guice and what do we really have?
Devin White
Rashard Lawrence
Ed Alexander
Four studs at DB
Chark
Clapp
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I agree our roster isn't balanced
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:17 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Where did you get that we were a top 25 offense post firing? Did you only take our offensive numbers and get that total because that's not right. You would have to go through every team (at least in the top 60 or so), and do that for a comparison. Even so you are excluding Wisconsin who was the 6th best defense last year and Auburn who was a top 25 defense. Wisconsin finished 4th and Auburn 7th in scoring defense.
We averaged 465 yards a game (which was dragged down big time by 125 Bama). You are right, I should do that for all teams, but statistically top teams get more yard in the first month of the season due to weaker OOC games as opposed to conference foes. So if anything I am probably understating.
Florida made us look like chumps? No. 425 yards. A goal line fumble, 7 yard line fumble and fake FG at the 2 made us look like chumps.
Post the Miles firing, outside bama we had one game where we got less than 400 yards (394 in a 20 point bowl win).
All 4 Miles games, including Jax State were south of that. 4 2015 games were south of that. All 2016 post mile games outside Bama were above the 2015 mean. It was a measurable material difference in performance.
But working in your argument, we were a top 40 offense in 2015 and top 25 post miles 2016 (I know you argue this methodology).... I don't see us falling off from that. Some talk like it is 2014 where we sit at 80th.
But as you said, time will tell.
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