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re: Trump doesn't need congress approval to strike North Korea
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:07 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:07 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
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Now that I think about it, was there ever an official declaration of war in Korea? I want to say no, but I can't remember whether they did it later on after going in
I believe that Truman used some UN resolution to go in and bypassed Congressional approval. Not sure Congress has ever authorized action in Korea at all, or if an official "state of war" ever existed between US and DPRK
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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the Constitution gives one body the authority "To declare war"
it's not the President
Are you joking? I thought you of all people would know this?
The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding the veto of the bill from President Nix
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:14 am to Rakim
So yes, Trump can bomb the piss out of anyone he wants. He just has to notify congress within 48 hours. Then the President can keep troops in for 60 plays before having to withdraw by 90 days.
You can say the President can't declare war but he sure as hell can wage it without congress.
You can say the President can't declare war but he sure as hell can wage it without congress.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:14 am to CptBengal
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justwait...that worthless piece of shite McCain and the entire prog filth in DC, including the MSM will be yelling for congressional approval
Yeah...if there's a war, you can guarantee MCcain wants his name in there somewhere. He can add it to his resume...of failures. Him and Hillary have a lot in common.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:16 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
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I mean that's just not true.
Actually it's true and I just posted it. Trump doesn't have to ask for approval to start a war.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:17 am to GEAUXmedic
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What congressional approval? None is required. We are already at war, he doesn't need each move approved by congress.
A resolution would still be a good idea, assuming we are technically still at war.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:19 am to Rakim
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President doesn't ever need Congresses approval to go to war
pretty much. This is a problem though. I didn't like it when obama, bush or anyone else did it, and I don't like it now.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:20 am to BigJim
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A resolution would still be a good idea, assuming we are technically still at war.
Probably, but the Constitution gives leeway to Executive Branch for emergency military action and operational surprise. The point is Trump doesn't have to ask for approval to bomb Korea or any country for that matter.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:22 am to Hawkeye95
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pretty much. This is a problem though. I didn't like it when obama, bush or anyone else did it, and I don't like it now.
Me either, but you can understand why the President has that power. I'm just surprised we have SlowProFlow and some of the others arguing the opposite. My mind is blown.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:32 am to Rakim
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Me either, but you can understand why the President has that power
Yes, but it really should be curtailed. Congress can get together really quickly, a day or so, and approve a bill if need be to authorize an attack.
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My mind is blown.
Up is down
down is up
left is right
right is left
This is the world of trump, he has taken normal sanity and thrown it out the window.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:22 pm to GEAUXmedic
We need to create/fabricate another "Bay of Tonkin" incident to bomb North Korea back to the Ming Dynasty!
The Dems pulled it off in the mid-60's to justify the Vietnam Conflict! It is now the GOP's time.
The Dems pulled it off in the mid-60's to justify the Vietnam Conflict! It is now the GOP's time.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:50 pm to GEAUXmedic
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Trump doesn't need congress approval to strike North Korea
We never signed a treaty, we are technically still in a state of war with North Korea.
We do have an armistice agreement signed with China and NK, but that doesn't sign an end to war, and NK said a few years ago they no longer recognize it anyways.
Actually we never officially declared war with North Korea. The military action known as the Korean War was based on UN Security Council Resolution 83 which recommend member states to provide military assistance to the Republic of Korea.
But in essence you are right, Trump doesn't need congressional approval to strike NK.
The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, (with a further 30-day withdrawal period), without a Congressional authorization for use of military force or a declaration of war by the United States.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i already said he could, but those powers are clearly unconstitutional (and not even really a "war" to be really technical)
Trust me it's a war when bombs are being dropped.
What do you mean "those powers"?
Moreover as the poster above pointed out Korea was never actually a war because congress never approved it. Meaning yes, in theory, the President can start wars without congress. Congress can end those wars started by the President though.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:18 pm to GEAUXmedic
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Trump doesn't need congress approval to strike North Korea
As one of the biggest Trump fans around here I think he should get it. No one person should take us into a nuclear war. There are too many lives at stake globally for any person to wield that much power.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:45 pm to Rakim
It only makes sense. Once ICBM's became a thing, asking Congress for approval simply WON'T work, even if we want it to. Congress is far too inefficient and slow to have a resolution drawn up and voted on before the 30 minutes it takes for an ICBM to get here. They can't pass healthcare after 7 years -- do you really think they can do this?
However, I do agree that a president should have to seek approval for any kind of protracted war with ground troops, etc.
However, I do agree that a president should have to seek approval for any kind of protracted war with ground troops, etc.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:51 pm to AUstar
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However, I do agree that a president should have to seek approval for any kind of protracted war with ground troops, etc.
48 hours to notify congress
60 days without authorization
30 days to withdraw troops
Congress can challenge the President. An interesting question is if the President still has that 90 day military authorization if Congress disapproves of War? I would think the President has his 90 days unless Congress moves to Impeach. That's a fascinating scenario that I wish we had an expert to cover.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:54 pm to GEAUXmedic
Libs would flip shite if trump did it though 
CNN: "Trump White House illegally attacks NK, impeachment eminent".
CNN: "Trump White House illegally attacks NK, impeachment eminent".
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 2:55 pm
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