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Canada vs Aranda - Scoring Offense vs Scoring Defense
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:57 am
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:57 am
Here is what the two LSU coordinators did in their first seasons at their respective programs last year - Pitt and LSU.
Pitt is on the left with the offensive points scored per game listed. LSU is on the right with the points given up per game listed.
Villanova.....28.......... Wisc...... ..........16
Penn St.......42.......... Jksnvl St. ........13
Okla St........38.......... Miss St... .........20
North Car....36.......... Auburn.... ........18
Marshall......43.......... Missouri.. ..........7
Ga Tech......37..........
Virginia........45.......... Sthrn Miss. ......10
Va Tech.......36.......... Ole Miss.. ........21
Miami...........28.......... Alabama... ......10
Clemson......43.......... Arkansas.. .......10
Duke............56.......... Florida... ..........16
Syracuse......76.......... TX A&M.... ......39
Northwstrn....24.......... Louisville. .........9
Pitt scored a total of 532 points for an average of 40.9 points per game - 10th in the nation.
LSU gave up a total 189 points for an average of 15.8 points per game - 5th in the nation.
In comparison in rankings of average points per game:
2016 - Pitt 532 points, average 40.9, 10th best in 13 games,
2016 - LSU 340 points, average 28.3, 68th in the nation in 12 games.
2016 - Bama 582 points, average 38.8, 16th in 15 games. - Bama has a new OC for the coming season also.
When Clemson scored five TD's against Bama in the NC game, LSU became the leader in fewest TD's allowed for the season at 16 TD's. LSU also gave up 5 touchdowns in the A&M game.
The fewest points scored by Canada were in the bowl game after he had accepted the OC position at LSU.
Pitt lost the Oklahoma St, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Miami and Northwestern games.
Pitt scored more points than any other team last season against:
Villanova
North Carolina
Clemson - (including games against FSU, Louisville, Ohio St, Alabama)
Duke
Syracuse - (including FSU, Louisville, Clemson)
https://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=11
Pitt is on the left with the offensive points scored per game listed. LSU is on the right with the points given up per game listed.
Villanova.....28.......... Wisc...... ..........16
Penn St.......42.......... Jksnvl St. ........13
Okla St........38.......... Miss St... .........20
North Car....36.......... Auburn.... ........18
Marshall......43.......... Missouri.. ..........7
Ga Tech......37..........
Virginia........45.......... Sthrn Miss. ......10
Va Tech.......36.......... Ole Miss.. ........21
Miami...........28.......... Alabama... ......10
Clemson......43.......... Arkansas.. .......10
Duke............56.......... Florida... ..........16
Syracuse......76.......... TX A&M.... ......39
Northwstrn....24.......... Louisville. .........9
Pitt scored a total of 532 points for an average of 40.9 points per game - 10th in the nation.
LSU gave up a total 189 points for an average of 15.8 points per game - 5th in the nation.
In comparison in rankings of average points per game:
2016 - Pitt 532 points, average 40.9, 10th best in 13 games,
2016 - LSU 340 points, average 28.3, 68th in the nation in 12 games.
2016 - Bama 582 points, average 38.8, 16th in 15 games. - Bama has a new OC for the coming season also.
When Clemson scored five TD's against Bama in the NC game, LSU became the leader in fewest TD's allowed for the season at 16 TD's. LSU also gave up 5 touchdowns in the A&M game.
The fewest points scored by Canada were in the bowl game after he had accepted the OC position at LSU.
Pitt lost the Oklahoma St, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Miami and Northwestern games.
Pitt scored more points than any other team last season against:
Villanova
North Carolina
Clemson - (including games against FSU, Louisville, Ohio St, Alabama)
Duke
Syracuse - (including FSU, Louisville, Clemson)
https://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=11
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:02 am to Tiger Ree
I believe Pitt was playing with the back up QB in the bowl game as well
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:03 am to Tiger Ree
Average 40/game
Give up 15/game
September can't get here soon enough
Give up 15/game
September can't get here soon enough
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:11 am to Tiger Ree
pts & yds per play is a way more accurate way of gauging an Offense/Defense
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 11:11 am
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:11 am to Tiger Ree
Good stuff Tiger Ree. I'm pumped about the season. So looking forward to having an offense this season. Depth on the d line is strong once again as well.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:12 am to emanresu
Well this just got me freaking excited, even if you cut the numbers in half for offense means we still winning games 21-10/ 28-14
I will take it
I will take it
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:13 am to Tiger Ree
quote:
Pitt scored a total of 532 points for an average of 40.9 points per game - 10th in the nation. LSU gave up a total 189 points for an average of 15.8 points per game - 5th in the nation.
LSU is in the playoffs if they're close to maintaining this average scoring margin.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:18 am to Howyouluhdat
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yds per play
Probably isn't near as good an indicator of win/loss as points scored and points given up. Two or three long plays in a game by a team can skew that stat even if the team is not very good.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:29 am to Tiger Ree
Yep if they both do half as good as their previous year LSU will beat lots of teams. I'm pumped but we can look at stats all day, I'm ready to see the product on the field. Can't wait to see what these coaches can do together as a team.
I want to see if Etling was indeed affected by injury. I want to see how we use Guice, Chark, and Moreau. I want to see how diverse this offense can be. Looking forward to how quickly we can score and how efficient we can be in the redzone. Want to see how Canada uses the clock against our opponents.
Special teams is another area that I would like to see LSU be more aggressive. Us setting up blocking schemes on kickoffs and punts to score. As well as going after fieldgoals, and punts for good field position or a quick score when possible.
I think Aranda will do his thing with our defense once again. The better natural talent is young on defense except on the DL. We also have guys like Battle, Tolliver, Jackson, Paris, Alexander, Thompson, Voorhies, Lewis and the entire DL who have been here for a good while and could provide that leadership where we need it. It's a good mix if you ask me.
I want to see if Etling was indeed affected by injury. I want to see how we use Guice, Chark, and Moreau. I want to see how diverse this offense can be. Looking forward to how quickly we can score and how efficient we can be in the redzone. Want to see how Canada uses the clock against our opponents.
Special teams is another area that I would like to see LSU be more aggressive. Us setting up blocking schemes on kickoffs and punts to score. As well as going after fieldgoals, and punts for good field position or a quick score when possible.
I think Aranda will do his thing with our defense once again. The better natural talent is young on defense except on the DL. We also have guys like Battle, Tolliver, Jackson, Paris, Alexander, Thompson, Voorhies, Lewis and the entire DL who have been here for a good while and could provide that leadership where we need it. It's a good mix if you ask me.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:50 am to BayouBengal99
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Special teams is another area that I would like to see LSU be more aggressive. Us setting up blocking schemes on kickoffs and punts to score. As well as going after fieldgoals, and punts for good field position or a quick score when possible.
How is this going to happen? Who is even handling ST this season?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:43 pm to shutterspeed
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Who is even handling ST this season?
Some guy who had been in the pros for most, if not all of his career. He is employed as a consultant and will not be on the sidelines.
It will be the same thing as in the bowl game. LSU gave up 64 yards on 4 kick offs and MINUS 4 (-4) yards on 2 punts.
LSU had 81 return yards on 3 kick-offs and 45 return yards on 4 punts.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:24 pm to shutterspeed
Greg McMahon was added to coach the coaches. The coaches will translate the plan in practices then the game. Orgeron keeps mentioning how they want to use our special teams more aggressively so I'm intrigued to see how they implement this plan. Being offensive in all phases will have to improve our scoring add that with how Aranda keeps points low could have great results.
The only thing I would like to see changed a little on defense is our players be more aware of the ball. More strips, and INTs. When you have a shot to hit the ball with your facemask do it.
The only thing I would like to see changed a little on defense is our players be more aware of the ball. More strips, and INTs. When you have a shot to hit the ball with your facemask do it.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 3:43 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:
Two or three long plays in a game by a team can skew that stat even if the team is not very good.
It's not skewed at all because that's what you actually gave up. Defensive TD's and Turnovers leading to FG's factor in pts/game big time without the offense ever touching the ball
Posted on 7/24/17 at 5:31 pm to Howyouluhdat
quote:
Defensive TD's and Turnovers leading to FG's factor in pts/game big time without the offense ever touching the ball
Defensive TD's do not factor into the NCAA's offensive scoring stats. I posted a link in my original post.
quote:
It's not skewed at all because that's what you actually gave up.
Yeah, I guess I misinterpreted your post. I thought when you said
"pts & yds per play is a way more accurate way of gauging an Offense/Defense"
that you were insinuating that yards per play were a better indicator of whether a team was going to be successful as far as wins and losses go.
For having good offensive stats then yes, yards per play, come into play. But as far as being a gauge of a team winning football games, nothing compares to a team's offensive scoring and lack of scoring against them by other teams.
Yards per play can get a boost from playing a team that has a "bend-but-don't-break" defense. A team can move the ball easily but then find it hard to score once they get close to the goal line. And won't necessarily help a team win games.
YPP can also get a boost in a game where the other team has a large lead and starts playing "prevent defense". This lets teams have chunks of yardage but tries to prevent the easy scores. And won't necessarily help a team win games.
YPP can also get a boost from playing LSU's former and A&M's current defensive coordinator. What was his name? Oh yeah, John "3rd-and-Chavis".
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 5:53 pm to Tiger Ree
Want to venture a guess what "O" led the SEC in YPP last year?
That's right it was the LSU fighting tigers. Take it for what it's worth.
That's right it was the LSU fighting tigers. Take it for what it's worth.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:07 pm to 167back
quote:
Want to venture a guess what "O" led the SEC in YPP last year?
That's right it was the LSU fighting tigers. Take it for what it's worth.
NICE !!! Didn't know that.
I would have rather lead the SEC in offensive and defensive scoring.
If Aranda can recover from losing four starting players in the first 3 rounds of the NFL draft, LSU may just lead the SEC in offense and defense this coming season.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:58 pm to Tiger Ree
Summary please
Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:16 pm to Tiger Ree
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Defensive TD's do not factor into the NCAA's offensive scoring stats. I posted a link in my original post.
Yes they do. As a matter of fact you posted Pitt's total scoring for every game when they had at least 4 non offensive TD's which were on special teams. Not sure about their Defense. Look I'm not arguing how good MC is because I love the hire I was just pointing out that pts per game is not a solid measurement
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:00 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
quote:
Summary please
LSU has an excellent chance to be VERY good next season.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:39 am to Howyouluhdat
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Yes they do. As a matter of fact you posted Pitt's total scoring for every game when they had at least 4 non offensive TD's which were on special teams
You are correct. I went back and looked at LSU's numbers earlier today. The interception return for a TD by Tre White against Wisconsin is included in the "scoring offense" for LSU.
I was wrong for thinking with the name of the stat given by the NCAA they would only include offensive TD's.
If it is like that for LSU and Pitt, I would assume it is like that for every team.
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