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The looming repeal of Obamacare
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:29 pm
Is this what is really driving the muh Russians narrative? It's Barry O's crowning achievement, the literal keystone of his legacy. If it goes, Barry disappears into history. They can't stop a repeal with the repubs in control of congress, but if they throw anything not nailed down in the way, and continue to gin up as much phony controversy as humanly possible, they may just be able to run the clock out and get to the mid-term elections.
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:30 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
frick Obama
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:36 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
All I hear is how nobody cares about muh russians, yet the board is full of muh russians. It's an interesting phenomenon.
But sure, I think you've got it sussed
But sure, I think you've got it sussed
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:43 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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They can't stop a repeal with the repubs in control of congress, but if they throw anything not nailed down in the way, and continue to gin up as much phony controversy as humanly possible, they may just be able to run the clock out and get to the mid-term elections.
if the Senate version of the bill DOES pass, the Dems will want the mid-terms to hurry up and get here, because they almost assuredly will take seats, and a lot of them... this bill is a huge albatross, either way it goes, for the Republicans.... going through is actually worse for them, believe it or not....
and look the ACA is VERY FAR from perfect, but when it comes down to it, in terms of decreasing healthcare costs in the future, it's a step in the right direction...
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:51 pm to chRxis
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in terms of decreasing healthcare costs in the future, it's a step in the right direction
Exactly right if you are okay with single payer.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:54 pm to chRxis
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if the Senate version of the bill DOES pass, the Dems will want the mid-terms to hurry up and get here, because they almost assuredly will take seats
I agree that this bill will play a big role in senate races, but for very different reasons. If repubs don't repeal the ACA, given both houses of congress and the presidency, they are going to face massive backlash from their voters. They are simply out of excuses with their base. If that happens, I expect dems to pick up seats because they will have an energized base and a trophy to campaign on. However, if the ACA is repealed I see things headed the opposite way. I could see Dems and the resistance crumbling because repealing Obamacare would pretty much be a killshot.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:57 pm to Maniac979
Yep, single payer is the goal of the left, as it brings devastating taxes to take out the middle class...
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:00 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Really?
All I hear is how nobody cares about muh russians
I certainly care about 'muh russians'.
I care about Fusion GPS, Crowdstrike and their relationship with 'muh russians'.
I care about the relationship of the US deep state, and any false narrative it may be forwarding to undercut a newly elected administration.
I care about use of that narrative as an excuse to surveil political opponents.
Don't you?
We should all care about that.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:06 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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If repubs don't repeal the ACA, given both houses of congress and the presidency, they are going to face massive backlash from their voters. They are simply out of excuses with their base
perhaps... but with a lack of option on the exchange, it means consumers will be paying a frick ton more for shittier options....
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However, if the ACA is repealed I see things headed the opposite way. I could see Dems and the resistance crumbling because repealing Obamacare would pretty much be a killshot.
if it is repealed, as soon as people lose their healthcare coverage and/or it increases dramatically in price, like it's GOING to do, they will realize they got fricked in the arse by their candidate that was supposed to fix this shite, only to make it worse....
the republicans literally have NO option that is good here... none... one is a little less shitty, but other than that, there is no winning this.... and they have themselves to blame... all that time they had, and now with all of Congress and the president, and they STILL have nothing?? c'mon man.... and keep in mind, i'm not saying the ACA is some sort of godsend... in fact, it's the exact reason i DIDN'T vote for Obama the 2nd time....
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:07 pm to NC_Tigah
Oh I care. Mainly about why we're lied to daily by the Trump administration in light of the fact that they haven't done anything wrong. It just seems curious to me why they would choose that strategy.
But I'm also open to your ideas, as well.
But take notice of how much muh russians is claimed to be a dumb, old, closed case. Its pretty funny.
But I'm also open to your ideas, as well.
But take notice of how much muh russians is claimed to be a dumb, old, closed case. Its pretty funny.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:11 pm to CamdenTiger
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Yep, single payer is the goal of the left, as it brings devastating taxes to take out the middle class...
as a registered independent... fellow middle class, small business owner that pays more than his fair share, i'd GLADLY accept single payer...
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:12 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Only thing looming are democrats waiting to take Senate because McConnell is a crook and has gotten lazy drunk and loose with power. Better off if Schumer in charge.mcconnell getting blackmailed, or believes he is heaven sent.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:14 pm to Fatal Conceit
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Better off if Schumer in charge.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:19 pm to chRxis
quote:The vast vast majority of those who are calculated in the "will lose their coverage" category are folks who CBO feels will ELECTIVELY DROP COVERAGE when the MANDATE GOES AWAY.
if it is repealed, as soon as people lose their healthcare coverage
Intimating that elective choice of 18 million to drop coverage as somehow an injustice perpetrated upon them is one of the all-time great political con jobs.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:23 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
I don't think they have a thing to do with each other.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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will ELECTIVELY DROP COVERAGE when the MANDATE GOES AWAY.
i sure hope those that drop their coverage voluntarily have a ton of money to pay their own way for their bumps and bruises, or god forbid, chronic disease state... hope they don't NOT pay, which only shifts their costs onto those who do have insurance and pay their hospital bills (which only furthers the exorbitant health care costs, in this never ending cycle)...
if there's a large enough population of these non-paying customers you'll really start to see the shite hitting the fan with doctors moving from areas specifically for that reason, and/or hospitals outright closing as a very fast clip....
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:31 pm to chRxis
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but with a lack of option on the exchange, it means consumers will be paying a frick ton more for shittier options....
Lack of options on the exchange? I believe there are 3, maybe 4 at the most. Bronze, silver, Gold and platinum. The deductibles are insane. What good does it do me to drop thousands of dollars a year on insurance with a 5 to 10 thousand dollar deductible, when I may go to the doctor every 3 or 4 years? I don't need balls to the walls insurance but I would like something that's relatively inexpensive and is there in case of an emergency. As of right now, those plans cannot be legally offered thanks to the ACA. Its like shopping for a basic model Honda that suits my needs, but the govt has outlawed them and told me I can only purchase a corvette. Only it's a corvette that doesn't come with a motor until I pay another 5 or 10 grand. Even better still is the govt telling me either buy this vette or we are going to penalize you on your taxes.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:37 pm to goatmilker
Higher costs.
Kills gop.
New candidates for dems. Dems roll to resounding wins until single payer saves america.
Kills gop.
New candidates for dems. Dems roll to resounding wins until single payer saves america.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:44 pm to JuiceTerry
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All I hear is how nobody cares about muh russians, yet the board is full of muh russians. It's an interesting phenomenon.
This is the dumbest fricking talking point ever. It keeps getting repeated.
I don't care about Muh Russians. I do care about the establishment attempting to hijack a democratically elected president.
I can bitch about the conspiracy, without giving a shite about the pretext.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:51 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Would you consider Trump's DOJ the establishment concocting a conspiracy?
I do care about the establishment attempting to hijack a democratically elected president.
I can bitch about the conspiracy,
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