They don't. Netflix traffic has far more economic value than Ted Smith's Krackpot Konspiracy Blog. By definition NN demands that the ISP's pricing does NOT reflect that difference in value.

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What you want is for them to be able to charge the sender and the receiver for the same thing.

Not exactly. In most cases they aren't the same provider. And both ends of the transaction have value. One is access and one is delivery.

Why does Walmart get a markup? In most cases the products on their shelves are there because the vendor paid for the shelf space. Shouldn't they deliver Kraft mac-and-cheese for the same price they pay for it, since Kraft already paid to put it on the shelf?

Of course not-- because delivering a product to a customer has value. Amazon does the same thing. And they charge for it (both seller and buyer) only without even providing the shelf space in many cases.

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That's what you want ISPs to have the power to do, and it's fricked up.

We'll have to disagree. I think if you deliver of something of value, you should have the opportunity to be paid for that.

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Posted by Korkstand

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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:20 pm to Taxing Authority

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Yes. I'm consistent.

Consistently wrong isn't something to be proud of.

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They don't.

Pretty sure I send my ISP money every month. Where does it go?

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Netflix traffic has far more economic value than Ted Smith's Krackpot Konspiracy Blog. By definition NN demands that the ISP's pricing does NOT reflect that difference in value.

Why should the ISPs pricing reflect that difference in value? Should FedEx charge me more for shipping a pound of gold vs. a brick? Better yet, should FedEx open my fricking package to decide what to charge me? And then decide whether to also charge the receiver based on what it is I'm sending?

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Not exactly. In most cases they aren't the same provider. And both ends of the transaction have value. One is access and one is delivery.

Yeah, I know how the shite works. I pay on my end, Netflix pays on their end. Everybody gets paid for their services. So why the frick are you suggesting that Netflix should have to pay to "load" AND "offload" the data, when I'm already paying my ISP to offload it?

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Why does Walmart get a markup?

Why are you asking silly questions?

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In most cases the products on their shelves are there because the vendor paid for the shelf space. Shouldn't they deliver Kraft mac-and-cheese for the same price they pay for it, since Kraft already paid to put it on the shelf?

Maybe they do? Maybe Walmart sells Kraft mac-and-cheese below cost? Who fricking cares? How is this relevant?

An ISP isn't a storefront like Walmart. An ISP is the road that takes you to the storefront. My ISP has a toll booth in my driveway, and Walmart's ISP has a toll booth in their parking lot. That's fine. I pay for access to the road, and Walmart pays for access to customers. Walmart absorbs the cost of their toll booth and passes those on to consumers. That's fine. I pay my ISP to get on the road, I get to Walmart and pay the prices offered for their products. That's all fine. But what's NOT fine is if I get back home with my groceries, my ISP inspects my car and charges me extra fees for the things I bought at Walmart. Or, possibly worse, if my ISP goes to Walmart to extract the money from them for the things I already bought.

So tell me, what would you call it if there was someone who inspected the things you buy, and then that person goes to the suppliers of these things and demanded fees in exchange for allowing you to continue buying from these suppliers? You would probably call it extortion.

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