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re: The Fight for Net Neutrality: Today

Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:00 pm to
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:00 pm to
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long term, you believe there will be some sort of innovation that will make things all better.


Without a doubt.

I think innovation beyond the internet is likely.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:01 pm to
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firmly believe the currently existing giant ISPs will still have full control, for a number of reasons that have been posted in this thread already.


Regulation protects large, well capitalized industry.

If you read both sides of this net neutrality issue, you'll find opposition to throttling is a small part of the fight.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:10 pm to
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Regulation protects large, well capitalized industry.



again, this is vague, and a different discussion when it comes to the web. Explain to me, in your opinion, how the currently regulated internet is a bad thing for me as a consumer. I'm genuinely curious.

Not to mention, that's a bold comment. It's not as black and white as that when it comes to regulation/deregulation. There are plenty of examples where regulation has protected more than large, well capitalized industry.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:13 pm to
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again, this is vague, and a different discussion


No it's not. How many times do I have to tell you that other refs contained in the law are the problem for many telecoms? It's a huge part of the dissent. The throttling issue a small a standalone would have far less opposition


Hey, should search engines be allowed to charge more for exposure?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:13 pm to
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xplain to me, in your opinion, how the currently regulated internet is a bad thing for me as a consumer.


How is it bad or how could it be better?
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70976 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:18 pm to
either or both
Posted by reggieray420
Member since Dec 2016
2700 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:21 pm to
I love that poor as frick baby boomers fight tooth and nail for their 1% overlords
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:24 pm to
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either or both



Faster and more accessible internet.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263157 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:25 pm to
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I love that poor as frick baby boomers fight tooth and nail for their 1% overlords


What a stupid, trite response.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263157 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:27 pm to
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re: The Fight for Net Neutrality: TodayPosted on 7/12/17 at 2:18 pm to fightin tigers
either or both


What do you want, more regulation or competition/innovation? You're not getting both
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:30 pm to
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love that poor as frick baby boomers fight tooth and nail for their 1% overlords


Yep. The people who can barely type into a search engine and chew gum at the same are the most in favor of this bulshit

Just lol
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35685 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:30 pm to
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Faster and more accessible internet.


And what does the current regulatory framework do to stifle that?

What does abolishing net neutrality do to facilitate that?
Posted by someLSUdoosh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2016
882 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:31 pm to
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I think innovation beyond the internet is likely.


Its called skynet....get used to our new robot overlords
Posted by reggieray420
Member since Dec 2016
2700 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:31 pm to
No that's actually the truth, thanks for your input.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70976 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:32 pm to
this is probably the best article I can find on these subjects without having to take the time to write a novel.

LINK
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70976 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:34 pm to
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What do you want, more regulation or competition/innovation? You're not getting both



well I'm not advocating for more regulation. I'm advocating for things to stay the same.

You can't with a straight face say that net neutrality has hindered net innovation.

Unless of course you narrowly define innovation.

not to mention you seem to favor cheaper internet (not proven this would happen) over consumer protection.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263157 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:35 pm to
LINK

Because we're treating it now as a public utility. Public utilities have no incentive to innovate or even encourage competition
Posted by Coach Buzzcut
Member since Feb 2016
1362 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:36 pm to
Go die in a nursing home boomer
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
67023 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:38 pm to
The loss of net neutrality will rape frick this country.

Its an unspeakable outrage and it cannot be allowed to happen.

If they allow ISPs to dictate traffic based on their own hidden agendas we should March to the FCC and burn those mother frickers to the ground.

As if dealing with ISPs isn't already one of the worst companies anyone ever has to deal with this will only make it so so much worse.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263157 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:40 pm to
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not to mention you seem to favor cheaper internet (not proven this would happen) over consumer protection.


Consumer "protection" isn't always what it seems to be. Dynamic markets leading to innovation have been FAAAR more beneficial than protectionist policies which serve as barriers to entry.
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