Dude I just gave you the god damn win percentages and you're still gonna argue against the facts. I don't care about the emphasis you put on x amount of losses or opinionated rankings those are subjective taking points. All you're saying is that a top heavy league is better in your opinion than a league that's good 1-6. The fricking win pct, the indisputable evidence is exactly the same. Unbelievable especially for you. You're taking two groups with the exact same data and saying one is better than the other because you say so. That's the definition of bias.

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Posted by Rickdaddy4188

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Member since Aug 2011

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Posted on 7/15/17 at 12:40 am to Madking

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Dude I just gave you the god damn win percentages and you're still gonna argue against the facts

holy shite.

it's like you don't understand that youre arguing facts
Comparison of Saban's tenure and miles last 5 full seasons
West opponents that finished top 5
Saban-1
miles-5

west programs that finished top 10
Saban- 2
Miles-9

Times that the west champ had at least 3 losses
Saban-3
Miles-0

west opponents that played in the title game
saban-0
miles-5

the above statements are facts.

the fact that you think saban played a west schedule that was even close is retarded.

it should be telling to you that literally no one is agreeing with you

Saban faced 1 top 5 west opponent his entire tenure.
Miles faced 2 top 5 opponents in 2011 alone

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don't care about the emphasis you put on x amount of losses

it matters.

3 loss conference champs means the division was crap.

During Saban's tenure 1 sec west program won a national title.
Miles last 5 full seasons had 3 west programs win a national title.

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Posted by Rickdaddy4188

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Posted on 7/15/17 at 12:56 am to Madking

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I don't care about the emphasis you put on x amount of losses or or opinionated rankings those are subjective taking poin

you mean the rankings you used when you brought up Saban's records against top 5 and top 10 opponents compared to miles' record against top 5 and top 10 opponents?

your 1st post on this topic......

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Saban having a better win pct vs the SEC and a much better win pct vs top 5 and top 10 opponents.

when it fits your argument you have no problem using those objective ranking

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Posted by SportTiger1

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Posted on 7/15/17 at 1:26 am to Madking

I don't give a shot about stats and records. No one in the college football world would argue that 2000-2005 SEC West is anywhere close to the level of 2010-2015 SEC west, who won 4/6 NCs. That's just not realistic.

Anyway, why are we arguing miles vs Saban again? Both are 10 times the coach that O is, which is the point of the thread.

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Posted by Penrod

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Posted on 7/15/17 at 6:31 am to Madking

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All you're saying is that a top heavy league is better in your opinion than a league that's good 1-6.

Madking, That sentence gets to the crux of the matter. Imagine this: if the West had six 0.500 teams, and you added a half dozen NFL players to two of the teams, the league's records would spread out. The four other teams would have worse records, and the lucky two would probably have one loss between them.

Alternatively, if you took that same balanced league and removed a half dozen good players from two teams the league's records would also spread out.

In the first example, the league would clearly be stronger, but in the second it's clearly weaker.

It appears to me that the first example more closely resembles what actually happened. The SEC became the premiere league, and the talent flocked in - even to Ole Miss, for goodness sake.

If neither example is reflective, then I would say that a team fighting for championships would rather face a league with parity than one with a couple of great teams, but an average team would rather face a balanced league in which it would stand a fighting chance of winning out.

Anyway, good point above.