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re: LSU Advances to 11th SEC Tournament Championship Game | #21 LSU 6 vs #8 Auburn 0 (FINAL)

Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:09 pm to
Hey
Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:13 pm to
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she will be a major contributor for this program.


Disagree, she will not be a contributor for LSU. If she is not good enough to play over some of the players we have now then she has no future at LSU. The incoming players are better than what is on campus.

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I just don't understand why it needs to be mentioned every damn game how someone is better than Sanchez.


Simple, because Sanchez is not a good player. We can do better and we have better.

Because we are trying to win and build the program. But just like last year we had to play Quinn regardless of how horrible she was. We lost solid depth because of this pure stubbornness. This year it's Sanchez and it will cost us depth again. Why does Beth insist on playing below average infielders that can't hit or play defense? Loyalty to bad players is her krypotonite. That's why these ridiculous decisions based on emotion matter.
Posted by sbfan2000
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:38 pm to
i think you just want someone to agree with you.
Doesn't look like that's going to happen.
give it a rest!
GO TIGERS!
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67993 posts
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:41 pm to
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Disagree, she will not be a contributor for LSU. If she is not good enough to play over some of the players we have now then she has no future at LSU. The incoming players are better than what is on campus.



Dawson really is only a 2B. Dawson is not a 3rd Baseman or a SS. Clearly they don't want her in the OF for reasons...

She will start at 2B next year, clam down. I think you are over thinking this, you really are.
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We lost solid depth because of this pure stubbornness. This year it's Sanchez and it will cost us depth again. Why does Beth insist on playing below average infielders that can't hit or play defense? Loyalty to bad players is her krypotonite. That's why these ridiculous decisions based on emotion matter.


No one hit worth a damn in SEC play consistently besides Landry and Andrews, Jaquish was walked every time. We might as well field another team by that token. If anything all the hitting woes are a reflection on the coaches.

I am not disputing that she shouldn't play but you act like we have Lebron James sitting on the bench and its simply not true.

I agree we need to be better offensively, but a lot of our players need to be better. Dobson needs to make some major adjustments this off season with many of the hitters.

If anything surprised me this season it wasn't Dawson not starting, I never expected her to as she is only a 2nd baseman. I only saw her in a Dh role, pinch hittin role and pinch hitting role. Not seeing Cunningham was the major shock to me. Dawson saw 40 at bats, thats not nothing. Cunninham only saw one at bat. We have had players not even remotely talented compared to her see many more at bats. Thats why I am assuming you is red shirting
This post was edited on 5/13/17 at 4:47 pm
Posted by Dudebro2
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:03 pm to
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it's just a frick you auburn day today.


Uhhh what?

Every day is a "frick you Auburn day!!!"
This post was edited on 5/13/17 at 5:04 pm
Posted by Tiger in Texas
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:05 pm to
Don't want to get into an issue of who should be starting, just happy the girls made the finals against Ole Miss. If you had told me they would make the final at the beginning of the week, I would have said no way! They should be motivated even more based on the fact they were swept during the season by Ole Miss.
Posted by DC4LSU
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:08 pm to
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LSUAshlyn

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I know but I like getting a rise out of folks.


So, what you're saying is either
A) you're like a militant leader trying to incite a otherwise peaceful crowd to riot
or
B) you just have a miserable freaking life with nothing better to do

Some people just want to watch the world burn

This post was edited on 5/13/17 at 5:13 pm
Posted by 18handicap
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:21 pm to
I agree... i listened to the game on the radio while attending a NCAA Division III regional game in Tyler. I expected to be able to come here and enjoy reading about how well we are doing. But just like clockwork, she comes in and spoils the fun. If you enjoy getting a rise out of everyone, I feel bad for you.

The discussion of who is better and who should be playing should have been over long ago. Yall can start that again during the summer and fall. Time to enjoy this run to the tournament!!
Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:34 pm to
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No one hit worth a damn in SEC play consistently


So in your and Beth's world that means just keep penciling in the same stuff even when you have options, right?

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you act like we have Lebron James


Haha, we don't need Lebron James we just need to use the talent we have. Is it a coincidence that for 3 years in a row we have run out one of the worst infielders in the league while having options on the bench that we refused to give a shot? That's emotion writing the line up, not logic.

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Cunninham only saw one at bat. We have had players not even remotely talented compared to her see many more at bats.


Exactly, see Sanchez as an example. You are singing my songs. We actually agree but you have that streak of stubborn in you just like Beth and refuse to hear logic.

Cunningham can't redshirt unless its a medical.

Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
616 posts
Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:40 pm to
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I know but I like getting a rise out of folks. It's fun to point out the obvious and still have people deny it.


You misquoted me, I said a rise due to people denying the obvious.

No one has disputed what I said as untrue or illogical. They only get defensive.

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The discussion of who is better and who should be playing should have been over long ago.


I can root for our team and still question strange or illogical decisions.

I don't agree that the discussion is over when the season starts. It's open until the season is over. You as a coach should know you should always look to get better and not "settle" or get comfortable with situations. We are winning but we can still be better if we use our available tools.

Geaux Tigers! Beat Ole Miss!
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67993 posts
Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:50 pm to
Tell me, who are we suppose to be playing besides Dawson. Beth is playing a lot of freshman.

Dawson has seen around 45-50 at bats, she is being used. You might not think this but getting that many at bats will still be extremely beneficial for her going into next year. Its not like she doesnt see time at all that simply isnt true. The only postion she can play is 2B and DH. The staff does not want her in the OF either. Sanchez has been playing better as of late. Thats not to say she doesn't need to be better, believe me she does. A lot of our players need to be better offensively. Quinn isn't as bad as you want to make it out to be. She clearly was much better this year defensively and I've watched her every year since she has been here and her defense was noticably better. I think a lot of people who watched every game this season can agree on that. Has her hitting been consistent? At times nope, she has always been kind of a streaky hitter but the team as a hole had issues at the plate. I think that is more a reflection on the coaches than individuals.You can't just bench everyone.

Beth has ran through practically all options with batting order and has worked different players in and out of the lineup. She finally figured out a winning combination, and that is moving Jaquish to the two hole. We still have a lot of mechanical issue with a lot of players swing. I don't think Dobson and Beth can do much until the season is over. The one thing I do notice is the level of aggressiveness early in the count is much more noticeable and that is why you are seeing much more success.

Wasting depth? We have FOUR TRUE FRESHMAN seeing significant time. Along with two true sophomores. So no, I disagree we are seeing a lot of young players playing. Dawson will start at 2B next year. A player doesn't always play immediately when they come in. I've seen it at Florida, UCLA, Arizona, Auburn, Alabama, Oklahoma. All have a lot of highly touted prospect, a lot who were regarded higher than Dawson not play at all their freshman season but became major contributors by year two. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. It'll be okay
This post was edited on 5/13/17 at 5:55 pm
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 5:53 pm to
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LSUAshlyn

sup
Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 6:59 pm to
Bait, just read this with an open mind and don't be so defensive.

Springfield was bad at times and spent an extended period of time on the bench.

Doyle was bad at times and spent an extended period of time on the bench.

Andrews spent an extended period of time on the bench and was never bad

Dawson spent and extended period of time on the bench, is still on the bench, and was never bad.

Cunningham as been planted on the bench with no chance to be bad.

Quinn started off the year horrendously and has been very average with some really bad stretches and has spent no time on the bench.

Sanchez has been one of the worst performers in the entire league all year and and has spent no time on the bench.

None of the players listed above with extended bench time have been as bad as the every day player, Sanchez.

Why? What good does it do to extend the playing time for seniors and bad players when you have the ability to build for the now and the future.

That's my point surely even you can see this is a strange phenomenon that we seem to see every single year from Beth. Every at bat you take away from the young talent does nothing to help you become better.

Thank you for reading and let's win this thing!!!!
Posted by 18handicap
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 8:33 pm to
Did you graduate from LSU?
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67993 posts
Posted on 5/13/17 at 11:00 pm to
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That's my point surely even you can see this is a strange phenomenon that we seem to see every single year from Beth. Every at bat you take away from the young talent does nothing to help you become better.



So what you are saying is bench Quinn and start Dawson? If the staff felt like she is head and shoulders above people and would provide this team with a major spark don't you think she would be playing? Do you honestly think Beth is holding player back on purpose? We just hear this every year about how someone on the bench is way better than a starter. Name one player that Beth has kept on the bench that ended up bein way better than the starters when she played, one player?

We heard this with Bourg, she isn't a superstar either at Nichols

I am not saying Beth is perfect, believe me she isn't but its the same stuff different year. I am curious who it'll be next season
This post was edited on 5/13/17 at 11:03 pm
Posted by Mulerider
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 5/14/17 at 8:23 am to
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So what you are saying is bench Quinn and start Dawson?


That's not how I am reading this thread. Lots of emotion going on here on both sides of argument, I think.

Quinn is not great but she is definitely one of our best 9 hitters and players. But I don't think there is any question that Dawson is one of the best 9 as well and has been given no opportunity to do anything.

She has proven through her opportunities that she has won a shot to at least be given a chance to consistently play. That has never happened. I read all of this thread and agree that when Springfield is in the line up she should be at first which would put Dawson in the DP. Sanchez has been one of the weakest links all year. I don't even know if anyone could disagree with that.

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Do you honestly think Beth is holding player back on purpose?


I don't know what is going on internally between Beth and any player but I can tell you it is a very strange situation when a player has been as effective as Dawson, performed very well when given the chance and is still not even considered to be an option in the every day line up.

In 2017, we will never know if she could have provided a spark or been head and shoulders above anyone because that possibility was not extended. I personally believe she is a high .300 or .400 hitter playing every day. And once on the bases, she is hell to deal with. To me, that is quite a spark for a team that struggled offensively as much as we did.

I also ask think Ashlyn's question about accountability is fair. Why isn't Sanchez and even Quinn, Griggs or Serrett ever held to the same performance standard as everyone else? This isn't bashing Beth, it's a simple observation.
Posted by Icansee4miles
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Posted on 5/14/17 at 8:58 am to
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It's just a frick you auburn day today


I would argue that's everyday, but this has been a glorious weekend. Too bad my especially obnoxious War Eagle coworker retired, weekends like this usually triggered him taking sickcation the following Monday.
Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
616 posts
Posted on 5/14/17 at 10:04 am to
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Tigerbait

We heard this with Bourg, she isn't a superstar either at Nichols


You act like we need superstars to replace below average players. How can you equate that?

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Lots of emotion going on here on both sides of argument


Wrong, emotion on one side. I don't make emotional arguments. I leave that to the pumpers. I make rational, logical arguments based on data that is very difficult to dispute.

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She has proven through her opportunities that she has won a shot to at least be given a chance to consistently play. That has never happened.


This X 1000. Nobody can answer this, including Beth. Her lineups, in part, are based on blind loyalty to players whether they perform or not. We saw it the last two years with Quinn and we are seeing it with at least two players this year. This cost us depth up the middle with the Bourg transfer and it could cost us players this year. Do you really think these players don't see this as easily as we do? Why would they allow themselves to remain in that position when they are obviously not within the chosen that get continual passes on performance?

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Why isn't Sanchez and even Quinn, Griggs or Serrett ever held to the same performance standard as everyone else?


Herein lies the issue that has been the root of this debate from the beginning.




Posted by Mulerider
Member since Jul 2013
1615 posts
Posted on 5/14/17 at 11:03 am to
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Her lineups, in part, are based on blind loyalty to players whether they perform or not.


This is not a Beth anomaly. All coaches (fans & players as well) have bias. Lots of variables go in to these biases whether it be comfort level with players, seniority or any of the random cliches you hear coaches pour on players.

I agree that she really struggles to see past deep flaws in players and refuses to make changes that seem obvious and apparent to many but this is not something only found in LSU softball.

Every coach at LSU has a very difficult, high pressure job. Sometimes its gut instinct on these tough calls. Do they sometimes back fire? Sure. Do they sometimes work? Sure. Can they also have negative long term impacts on the program? Yes.

I am one that still believes we have not seen our best lineup this entire year. But at this point it simply isn't going to change. We will not see anything other than what has played out for 60 games. Then we will regroup, see who is on the next roster and go from there.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23791 posts
Posted on 5/14/17 at 1:16 pm to
Why the frick does anyone care was lsulynn thinks? Those who can do, those who don't pretend to be experts on a message board.
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