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re: Stephen A talking about Cp3 and the Pelicans
Posted on 5/13/17 at 2:47 pm to corndeaux
Posted on 5/13/17 at 2:47 pm to corndeaux
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disagree on Cleveland's roster and on GS, though to a lesser extent than the last 2 years.
What's their to disagree about? Give me a team with better 3rd players than Love or Thompson. Tell you what, you put Paul on this Pels team and you have an argument for one and an easy yep for the other. When push comes to shove, the stars win these titles. Teams like Houston, San Antonio, and Boston do what you describe. Find great role players to make them relevant. They don't have the firepower to beat the juggernauts though.
The Clippers never had a big 3 and they won 50 regularly. A player you can't count on in the clutch and can be intentionally fouled as a weakness is not a 3rd banana. Jordan's full offensive game was built around Paul/Griffin creating lobs/dump offs and putbacks. Give CP3 two true two way players and you or I really don't know if he could contend with them.
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if Davis/Cousins is as good as we all hope, they shouldn't need to sell out for a 3rd all NBA level player to become a good team. they should be able to use their skills and system to make lesser guys look better
You're right in my opinion. Unfortunately for the Pels, these two aren't natural ball handlers and need either a floor general to set them up or a coach cunning enough to deploy them. Right now, we have neither and a GM who's not shown the capability to do what you describe, yet miraculously lucked into Davis and Cousins. The Cousins trade he pulled off, yes. You can't tell me when he drafted Buddy Hield he did it to dangle him in front of an owner and say gimme your superstar. Luck and the cajones to just ask.
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Posted on 5/13/17 at 2:54 pm to ShamelessPel
We need a primary ball general that isn't horrid defensively and has an OK shot. that allows jrue to fit better as a combo guard/2 guard as a secondary ball handler. Allows cousins to be a tertiary ball handler which he's very good at.
The thing is, We need better play from the 3 for any situation to work.
The thing is, We need better play from the 3 for any situation to work.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:37 pm to ShamelessPel
so i misquoted....i disagree with this
yes. Cleveland and GS have the best talent. they are not 3 man rosters though. what Cleveland has done filling their roster has been smart. and GS has done a good job the past 3 years finding and developing bench players
also, when we talk about Big 3s, there is not one that formed that didn't result in that in some statistical give back from at least one member of that club. you can't just pencil in 27/12 from Davis and Cousins + Paul's 18/12. how those guys get those numbers has to change b/c they can't all dominate the ball the way they are used to when playing with each other.
figuring out the best way to maximize Davis/Cousins together is much more interesting and important to me at this moment than fantasizing about Paul or George or whomever forming a super team.
this is the second or third comment in this thread dumping on Jordan's offensive impact. that is wrong IMO. yes he is not a guy you can ask to ever get you a bucket or take a shot outside the RA or often keep on the floor b/c he can't shoot FTs. that last one, especially, is a huge limit.
but denying the power of a guy happy to screen and roll hard to the rim who can elevate, catch, and finish is foolish. vertical floor stretching is impactful- teams aren't going to let Jordan stroll down the lane for a thunderous dunk; where does that help come from? that is a skill- the timing is important. and not every team has guys able or even willing to dive knowing they will probably get mugged and won't see the ball most of the time
we got to watch this action first hand w/ Tyson Chandler diving and creating open shots for West and Peja. it wasn't the same with Emeka Okafor rolling to the rim
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And as much as people want to crow about having deep rosters to compete, who's gonna be in the finals? Cleveland and GSW. Who's the two teams in the league that have a legit big 3
yes. Cleveland and GS have the best talent. they are not 3 man rosters though. what Cleveland has done filling their roster has been smart. and GS has done a good job the past 3 years finding and developing bench players
also, when we talk about Big 3s, there is not one that formed that didn't result in that in some statistical give back from at least one member of that club. you can't just pencil in 27/12 from Davis and Cousins + Paul's 18/12. how those guys get those numbers has to change b/c they can't all dominate the ball the way they are used to when playing with each other.
figuring out the best way to maximize Davis/Cousins together is much more interesting and important to me at this moment than fantasizing about Paul or George or whomever forming a super team.
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Jordan's full offensive game was built around Paul/Griffin creating lobs/dump offs
this is the second or third comment in this thread dumping on Jordan's offensive impact. that is wrong IMO. yes he is not a guy you can ask to ever get you a bucket or take a shot outside the RA or often keep on the floor b/c he can't shoot FTs. that last one, especially, is a huge limit.
but denying the power of a guy happy to screen and roll hard to the rim who can elevate, catch, and finish is foolish. vertical floor stretching is impactful- teams aren't going to let Jordan stroll down the lane for a thunderous dunk; where does that help come from? that is a skill- the timing is important. and not every team has guys able or even willing to dive knowing they will probably get mugged and won't see the ball most of the time
we got to watch this action first hand w/ Tyson Chandler diving and creating open shots for West and Peja. it wasn't the same with Emeka Okafor rolling to the rim
This post was edited on 5/13/17 at 4:39 pm
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