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Lebron's biggest failure --- he hasn't played on an historically great team
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:43 pm
If There is any flaw Lebron still has on his resume, its that he has yet to have played on a historically elite/great team.
Just think of the top 10-12 greatest players off all times, every guy in the list has played on an historically great or memorable team.
Now none of these guys have anything remotely close to a 3-1 finals deficit comeback, so maybe that balances it out but i would like to see him on one more team that wins 62-67 games.
MJ- 96/97/93 Bulls
Russell- 61 Celtics .. I'm writing all the other ones
Kareem - 71 Bucks, 85/87 Lakers
Lebron -- ?? 13 Heat ??
Wilt- 67 Sixers, 72 Lakers
Magic - 85/87 Lakers
Bird - 86 Celtics
Duncan - 14 Spurs
Shaq - 01 Lakers
Kobe - 01 Lakers
West - 72 Lakers
Hakeem -- ??
Moses - 83 Sixers
Dr J- 83 Sixers
Just think of the top 10-12 greatest players off all times, every guy in the list has played on an historically great or memorable team.
Now none of these guys have anything remotely close to a 3-1 finals deficit comeback, so maybe that balances it out but i would like to see him on one more team that wins 62-67 games.
MJ- 96/97/93 Bulls
Russell- 61 Celtics .. I'm writing all the other ones
Kareem - 71 Bucks, 85/87 Lakers
Lebron -- ?? 13 Heat ??
Wilt- 67 Sixers, 72 Lakers
Magic - 85/87 Lakers
Bird - 86 Celtics
Duncan - 14 Spurs
Shaq - 01 Lakers
Kobe - 01 Lakers
West - 72 Lakers
Hakeem -- ??
Moses - 83 Sixers
Dr J- 83 Sixers
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 10:43 pm
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:45 pm to StrongSafety
Why in the world would the 66 win Heat team not be every bit on the level of all but a couple of those teams?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:47 pm to StrongSafety
Wut
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:49 pm to StrongSafety
quote:
MJ- 96/97/93 Bulls
Russell- 61 Celtics .. I'm writing all the other ones
Kareem - 71 Bucks, 85/87 Lakers
Lebron -- ?? 13 Heat ??
Wilt- 67 Sixers, 72 Lakers
Magic - 85/87 Lakers
Bird - 86 Celtics
Duncan - 14 Spurs
Shaq - 01 Lakers
Kobe - 01 Lakers
West - 72 Lakers
Hakeem -- ??
Moses - 83 Sixers
Dr J- 83 Sixers
DIRK - 11 MAVS
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:54 pm to StrongSafety
Duncan - 14 Spurs
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:03 pm to StrongSafety
quote:
1. Bird - 86 Celtics
2. Magic - 87 Lakers
GOATS
MJ's late 90's team? Great record, but please.
Look at the expansion and bullshite competition.
Magic and Larry were going at each other with Barkley and Jordan and Dr. J. and Kareem and Ewing and Hakeem and Dominique and it seemed like every team had 3 All-Stars.
'86-'87 was like fresh-squeezed 100% juice OJ.
Late 90's was like 5% real juice Sunny Delight.
'87 Lakers could have beaten the '86 Celtics but we will never know.
'86 vs. '86 would have been the most epic battle of all-time...but the freakin' Lakers choked to the Rockets.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:16 pm to StrongSafety
Most of these teams won multiple titles, so there not many more to compare them to
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:17 pm to StrongSafety
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If There is any flaw Lebron still has on his resume, its that he has yet to have played on a historically elite/great team.
I agree 100%, that said.
The best of the best Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, didn't get to chose their teams. They made the teams their historically great, on the court with the hand they were dealt.
Lebron literally manufactured the Big 3 in Miami to get a ring, then went back to a team that had=
-between '11-'14 had the #1 overall pick 3 times
-between '11-'14 had 5 picks in the top 5.
And, by you own statement he still couldn't manufacture a historically great team.
Could you imagine Bird, Magic, or Jordan coming back from baseball going to a team that had the #1 overall pick 3 out of the previous 5 drafts.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:19 pm to StrongSafety
The 12/13 Heat were one of the greatest teams of all time. I saw them in person against the Hornets and they were unbelievable to watch live.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:44 pm to StrongSafety
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Lebron's biggest failure --- he hasn't played on an historically great team
Wait...but according to all of the LeBron haters/MJ GOAT proclaimers, the biggest knock against LeBron is that all of his teams since he joined the Heat have been STACKED with SUPERSTARS??
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:51 pm to StrongSafety
Look the OP is right.
No one is going to remember shite about the Cavs team unless they win a few...its only going to remember take my talents to South Beach team which will always leave a bitter taste.
No one is going to remember shite about the Cavs team unless they win a few...its only going to remember take my talents to South Beach team which will always leave a bitter taste.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:43 am to StrongSafety
That's a complement to his productivity. Using it as a criticism is just intentionally trying to discredit his legacy. I hate LeBron dickriders but this is just silly.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 2:05 am to StrongSafety
LeBron is arguably the best basketball player of all time... his only glaring "failure" (other than the decision) is the finals loss to the Mavs imo.
I'm having trouble understanding how LBJ winning championships without playing on an "all time great team" is a failure? In fact, I'm going to completely disagree with you and make the argument that winning without 3 fellow all stars makes his resume even better.
Hypothetically, let's say LeBron ends his career with 5 rings and Durant ends his with 2-3 on the Warriors, which is clearly an "all time great" team. Are you arguing that Durant's 2-3 would be more significant/memorable than LeBron's because LBJ won with less talented teams? Makes no sense.
I'm having trouble understanding how LBJ winning championships without playing on an "all time great team" is a failure? In fact, I'm going to completely disagree with you and make the argument that winning without 3 fellow all stars makes his resume even better.
Hypothetically, let's say LeBron ends his career with 5 rings and Durant ends his with 2-3 on the Warriors, which is clearly an "all time great" team. Are you arguing that Durant's 2-3 would be more significant/memorable than LeBron's because LBJ won with less talented teams? Makes no sense.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 2:34 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 7:08 am to StrongSafety
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Lebron's biggest failure --- he hasn't played on an historically great team
Your biggest failure, using the wrong article in your subject line.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 7:27 am to StrongSafety
Lebron is good but overrated. Top ten all time but not top five.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:16 am to StrongSafety
I'm not a 'Bron fan but this thread is ridiculous.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:56 am to StrongSafety
at you for not including the 66 win Miami Heat team he was on.Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:23 am to StrongSafety
great players make those around them great
MJ pulled Scotty Pippen into top 50 players
MJ pulled Scotty Pippen into top 50 players
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:51 am to StrongSafety
Definitely the dumbest thread of the week on all of TD.
quote:not historic. Seems like 97 bulls were behind in the Finals
97/93 Bulls
quote:Not even as good as the 87 Celtics that lost the Finals, also not as good as 84 Celtics
Bird - 86 Celtics
quote:No words for how stupid this is
Duncan - 14 Spurs
quote:
Moses - 83 Sixers
Dr J- 83 Sixers
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:52 pm to StrongSafety
1. he will never get credit for the 3-1 comeback. Everyone knows that if Green plays in game 6, while Bogut is still playing, the W's are at least 50/50 to finish it off.
2. He famously did not contribute in crunch time in losses.
If he gets hot on a roll, there is no one like him. But several players over the past 75 years have had the intestinal fortitude to play their best when the game was on the line.
He is not in the top tier for courage under fire. He's just not.
Russell
Barry
Pettit
Cousy
MJ
2. He famously did not contribute in crunch time in losses.
If he gets hot on a roll, there is no one like him. But several players over the past 75 years have had the intestinal fortitude to play their best when the game was on the line.
He is not in the top tier for courage under fire. He's just not.
Russell
Barry
Pettit
Cousy
MJ
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