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War On Drugs: Let's get a better understanding/conclusion. Part 1: Supply Side
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:36 pm
First of all, anybody that get's personal should simply be ignored. I'm not interested in going there and will not.
Second, we have to establish where you (speaking in general) are coming from. Are you simply wanting the choice to do your preferred drug? If so, this conversation isn't for you.
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A starting point for all is that currently the war on drugs is not working. If we are to continue with the war on drugs changes have to be made. We can all agree here.
Let's define the "war". It's supply and demand. In order to effectively combat it, You would have to address both sides.
The question is how.
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Supply Side
This is more than just the "Cartel". It's broken down into various levels:
1- Grower/manufacturers.
2- Moving the product.
3- Major dealers (king Pin)
4- Sub level distributors. (local gangs/ members/ pushers)
In order to win that, you need to isolate them working from the US side tracking back to the origin.
Here are the actions needed per:
2- Yes, starting with the movement. Just as in war disrupt the supply.
- Build the wall. While in itself is not the end all, it is the major problem because it handles 2 issues. The transportation of the drugs, and the movement of troops into the US. I say Troops because of the terminology used "War on Drugs"
- Man the wall. We train soldiers every day. Rotate the National Guard of every state to that border wall. That's man power, training, and it changes out the people enough that it reduces the chances of being compromised by cartel dollars. We have 50 states with national guard and 48 of those could easily be rotated out.
- Use modern tech to patrol that wall. In other words, use small drones in a pattern that changes daily.
- Use modern Tech to detect tunnels before they are completed. It's out there., we can do it.
Those things alone will reduce the flow drastically!
- Cargo ships need to be inspected better. Use the method above to do that work.
1- Time to address the production.
- Use trade as a negotiation with Mexico and others. Either we trade and you allow us to take out the production or we don't trade at all.
- Use other forms of negotiation. Restrict LEGAL immigration if they do not cooperate.
- Label all cartels terrorist organizations!
It allows the US military more leverage in the fight.
- Take out the leadership every month. It takes time to regain control of the Cartel. Just take them out.
- We know of a production center... blow it up.
3/4- That moves us to the US side of things and we have created a mess.
- If you are in our Jails and you are a member of a gang, deport them NOW.
- Label gangs as Terrorist organization and bring in federal help.
- Add 3000 more judges. Deport new arrests within days.
- Get rid of the PC that states we must make prison life for these people friendly. This means you don't get my tax dollars to EAT or live. You get to work for the rest of your life to raise your own food, cook it, and clean up.
- Get rid of PC.... You kill somebody and it's drug related and gang related, you no longer get to be a burden. Either die, or life with out my tax dollars. You don't get air conditioning. You don't get TV. You don't get Cable. You don't get free food. You become a productive human being be selling things you are forced to make in prison.
- Schools need to be guarded. Place NG on every corner! Each state has enough to do this.
I am going to add this one because it helps tremendously in more than one area
BREAK UP THE MASSIVE SCHOOLS!
This crosses over in to the demand side, but we are talking policing the issues.
- Stop with the mega school consolidations. Just end it and reverse it.
- Reduces ares to "patrol"
- Increases education
=========================================================
Second, we have to establish where you (speaking in general) are coming from. Are you simply wanting the choice to do your preferred drug? If so, this conversation isn't for you.
============================================================
A starting point for all is that currently the war on drugs is not working. If we are to continue with the war on drugs changes have to be made. We can all agree here.
Let's define the "war". It's supply and demand. In order to effectively combat it, You would have to address both sides.
The question is how.
===========================================================
Supply Side
This is more than just the "Cartel". It's broken down into various levels:
1- Grower/manufacturers.
2- Moving the product.
3- Major dealers (king Pin)
4- Sub level distributors. (local gangs/ members/ pushers)
In order to win that, you need to isolate them working from the US side tracking back to the origin.
Here are the actions needed per:
2- Yes, starting with the movement. Just as in war disrupt the supply.
- Build the wall. While in itself is not the end all, it is the major problem because it handles 2 issues. The transportation of the drugs, and the movement of troops into the US. I say Troops because of the terminology used "War on Drugs"
- Man the wall. We train soldiers every day. Rotate the National Guard of every state to that border wall. That's man power, training, and it changes out the people enough that it reduces the chances of being compromised by cartel dollars. We have 50 states with national guard and 48 of those could easily be rotated out.
- Use modern tech to patrol that wall. In other words, use small drones in a pattern that changes daily.
- Use modern Tech to detect tunnels before they are completed. It's out there., we can do it.
Those things alone will reduce the flow drastically!
- Cargo ships need to be inspected better. Use the method above to do that work.
1- Time to address the production.
- Use trade as a negotiation with Mexico and others. Either we trade and you allow us to take out the production or we don't trade at all.
- Use other forms of negotiation. Restrict LEGAL immigration if they do not cooperate.
- Label all cartels terrorist organizations!
It allows the US military more leverage in the fight.
- Take out the leadership every month. It takes time to regain control of the Cartel. Just take them out.
- We know of a production center... blow it up.
3/4- That moves us to the US side of things and we have created a mess.
- If you are in our Jails and you are a member of a gang, deport them NOW.
- Label gangs as Terrorist organization and bring in federal help.
- Add 3000 more judges. Deport new arrests within days.
- Get rid of the PC that states we must make prison life for these people friendly. This means you don't get my tax dollars to EAT or live. You get to work for the rest of your life to raise your own food, cook it, and clean up.
- Get rid of PC.... You kill somebody and it's drug related and gang related, you no longer get to be a burden. Either die, or life with out my tax dollars. You don't get air conditioning. You don't get TV. You don't get Cable. You don't get free food. You become a productive human being be selling things you are forced to make in prison.
- Schools need to be guarded. Place NG on every corner! Each state has enough to do this.
I am going to add this one because it helps tremendously in more than one area
BREAK UP THE MASSIVE SCHOOLS!
This crosses over in to the demand side, but we are talking policing the issues.
- Stop with the mega school consolidations. Just end it and reverse it.
- Reduces ares to "patrol"
- Increases education
=========================================================
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:38 pm to MButterfly
Prohibition is typically a failed solution
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:40 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
Prohibition is typically a failed solution
No it's not. You are prohibited from murder, yet we are not changing the law...
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:40 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
Prohibition is typically a failed solution
Oh yeah, and the generation that "fought" the war on drugs now says we just didnt go far enough.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:41 pm to MButterfly
Go after the cartels. That's only part of a multi faceted solution but that's where I'd start.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:41 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:
Oh yeah, and the generation that "fought" the war on drugs now says we just didnt go far enough.
Just exit the thread then....
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:42 pm to upgrayedd
Legalize weed
Judge Dredd style patrolman at the border
Educate people
Judge Dredd style patrolman at the border
Educate people
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:42 pm to bamarep
quote:
War On Drugs
Is it ever going to actually start?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:42 pm to bamarep
quote:
Go after the cartels. That's only part of a multi faceted solution but that's where I'd start.
You have to. Keeping them in disarray keeps thing where we want them. Who wants to become the next target?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:42 pm to MButterfly
quote:
Prohibition is typically a failed solution
No it's not.
Keep choppin man
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:43 pm to MButterfly
quote:
No it's not. You are prohibited from murder, yet we are not changing the law...
You can be willfully obtuse if you want. Comparing murder laws to drug laws is completely dishonest.
All the proposals in your OP require a massive increase in funding as well as the formation of a gigantic police state.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:44 pm to MButterfly
Even if you could block 100% of foreign drugs from entering the country, you still have to worry about all of the domestically produced drugs. As long as demand to get high exists, suppliers will find a way to get drugs in the hands of addicts.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:45 pm to MButterfly
quote:
Just exit the thread then....
Your generation created this abortion so get the frick out of the way and let smarter people fix it.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:45 pm to MButterfly
quote:
Reduces ares to "patrol"
I think you mean areas, just pointing it out.
Overall, I think you have a smart plan. I look forward to the demand side of the issue.
I think the biggest issue is dealing with the lobbyists who benefit directly from the PC nonsense.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:45 pm to navy
quote:
Is it ever going to actually start?
That's the issue! It has not. Was tongue in cheek for a long time.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:45 pm to bamarep
quote:
Go after the cartels.
Best way to go after the cartels is to completely destroy their revenue stream i.e. legalize drugs
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:46 pm to DawnOwl
quote:
I look forward to the demand side of the issue.
+1
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:46 pm to MButterfly
I read most of that and it boils down to we spend billions and billions of dollars a year on the war on drugs.
Your "solutions" would essentially double that cost if not got so far as to quadruple it. I don't think we should make all drugs legal but decriminalization yes. But we need to shift our spending and thinking away from fighting and ending drugs and instead spend it on better education and rehab facilities.
Your "solutions" would essentially double that cost if not got so far as to quadruple it. I don't think we should make all drugs legal but decriminalization yes. But we need to shift our spending and thinking away from fighting and ending drugs and instead spend it on better education and rehab facilities.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:49 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
You can be willfully obtuse if you want. Comparing murder laws to drug laws is completely dishonest.
No it isn't. You stated it doesn't work.
quote:
All the proposals in your OP require a massive increase in funding as well as the formation of a gigantic police state.
How so? Why don't you try to actually engage in a conversation on your own and stop the BS. Maybe we, as a people, could actually come to a better understanding of the issue.
So break down how each of those are NOT valid (if that's your stance) and how that is a police state. After all, breaking up of massive schools is clearly NOT a police state.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:50 pm to cahoots
quote:
Even if you could block 100% of foreign drugs from entering the country, you still have to worry about all of the domestically produced drugs. As long as demand to get high exists, suppliers will find a way to get drugs in the hands of addicts.
The problem is that many central American countries are a so poor and the governments so corrupt that as long as there is a more lucrative industry such as drugs, they'll risk their lives to make money. You can launch as many drone strikes as you want, but it will only increase the value of the product thus luring people in to fill the void.
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