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re: How to leverage new job offer for raise/benefits at current job?
Posted on 4/4/17 at 7:28 am to KG6
Posted on 4/4/17 at 7:28 am to KG6
I've had a similar experience I can share in my career.
I knew I was underpaid so I talked to my manager about it. He wasn't sure if he could do anything so I ended up having to talk to my manager's manager. He, in a round about way, said he thought I was being paid fair for my experience. I disagreed based on research of the local market and told him he's basically putting me in a position where I can't be paid fair unless I get leverage. He agreed, I said ok and went back to work. A month later I walked in to his office with a letter for about $10k more than I asked him for earlier. He then beat that by $5k to keep me.
The important thing is not to talk about what's fair. Just have a conversation about facts irregardless of what is fair. My story was 8 years ago. I'm a manager myself now days. I know from personal experience now that it's hard for most managers to get any kind of money for their employees post original negotiation. I think it was less about him thinking I was being paid fair and more about the fact that going get more money for an existing employee is a real pain in the arse in our organization.
She really should look at the long term effects of going in to that new role. If it's a very respected place then working 2-5 years there might boost her in to an even bigger position at a third company for the following role. I've seen people go back to a larger role in the company they originally left. Point is think about how that new experience will contribute to the next role. If it's not a resume building position I'd look for a different one.
This last bit about the open position she applied for still being open. To me that's a bit strange. I'd leave that job on principle alone in that case. I've never worked in government though. What I've heard about government work is you don't get paid worth a flip and it's not what you know it's who you know.
I knew I was underpaid so I talked to my manager about it. He wasn't sure if he could do anything so I ended up having to talk to my manager's manager. He, in a round about way, said he thought I was being paid fair for my experience. I disagreed based on research of the local market and told him he's basically putting me in a position where I can't be paid fair unless I get leverage. He agreed, I said ok and went back to work. A month later I walked in to his office with a letter for about $10k more than I asked him for earlier. He then beat that by $5k to keep me.
The important thing is not to talk about what's fair. Just have a conversation about facts irregardless of what is fair. My story was 8 years ago. I'm a manager myself now days. I know from personal experience now that it's hard for most managers to get any kind of money for their employees post original negotiation. I think it was less about him thinking I was being paid fair and more about the fact that going get more money for an existing employee is a real pain in the arse in our organization.
She really should look at the long term effects of going in to that new role. If it's a very respected place then working 2-5 years there might boost her in to an even bigger position at a third company for the following role. I've seen people go back to a larger role in the company they originally left. Point is think about how that new experience will contribute to the next role. If it's not a resume building position I'd look for a different one.
This last bit about the open position she applied for still being open. To me that's a bit strange. I'd leave that job on principle alone in that case. I've never worked in government though. What I've heard about government work is you don't get paid worth a flip and it's not what you know it's who you know.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 7:38 am to BeerMoney
Every boss is different, you have to know what works for your boss. I rarely think it's best to use the pay me this or I'm leaving bc they may pay you this time but don't be surprised if they are looking to replace you shortly after. They would be scared you may do that again.
You also have to know how much you are worth to the company. Could someone else there do your job if you left?
You also have to know how much you are worth to the company. Could someone else there do your job if you left?
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:09 am to BeerMoney
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This last bit about the open position she applied for still being open. To me that's a bit strange. I'd leave that job on principle alone in that case.
Several underlying issues here. She originally applied and was hired for a role she is probably very overqualified for (she handles social media). She was a stay at home mom for 6 months, but wanted to go back to work, and this was the first thing she found. Now I think it hampers her that she is just "the facebook girl". Even though they are constantly pulling her into higher level marketing and community relations projects and she actually held the exact title she was passed over for when she was in LA. In addition, the main boss has a reputation for hiring 30 something girls. Wife overheard HR say "maybe we can get them to actually hire a man for once". So I think a 31 year old blonde is not what they had in mind when they created the position. So I agree....I think she should tell them to get fricked. But if they started freaking about her leaving and offered a 10k raise or something, it's hard to leave that. If that other position came back into play, it'd be 20k+ raise.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 8:18 am
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