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re: To all the pro-choice people
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:15 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:15 pm to ballscaster
[Not that you or anybody care, but the way I see it, abortion is gross and immoral (not murder), and those responsible for it will be subject to justice meted out by someone or something that is higher than the United States government.]
You have my attention. How do you disconnect "gross and immoral" from "murder?" What is gross and immoral in your mind about abortion that does not cross the threshold of actual murder? And without it being murder, why do you believe that justice will be meted out by a source higher than the US Government?
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 4:07 am to Dick Leverage
quote:Same way everybody here does, though most won't admit it.
How do you disconnect "gross and immoral" from "murder?"
I used to have an office across the street from an abortion clinic. One day I thought to myself, if I saw a person pointing a gun at a toddler next to my desk across the street from this abortion clinic, I would put myself in harm's way to stop the gunman. Meanwhile, I'll never even block the door to the building across the street. That's because I know that abortion and murder aren't the same thing.
And that's how I know this as a fact: there isn't a single person on this board who believes that abortion and murder are the same thing, and their actions indicate this.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 5:48 am to OMLandshark
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Ok, but whenever I propose that we pay for birth control on the taxpayers dime, the Bible Thumping mouthbreathers say they don't want their tax dollars going to that.
Already being done through Planned Parenthood, though.
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So you have to meet us at this point. I'd love nothing more than for birth control to be on the state.
Ones sexual preference is nobody's business, but ones sex life is the governments?
Planned Parenthood will provide condoms for free, and how much does a condom cost, anyway? let me tell you....I just saw a box online for sale for $4.80.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 5:59 am to OMLandshark
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Ok, but whenever I propose that we pay for birth control on the taxpayers dime, the Bible Thumping mouthbreathers say they don't want their tax dollars going to that. So you have to meet us at this point. I'd love nothing more than for birth control to be on the state.
Birth control is cheaper than the drinks OMLandshark has to buy a girl to get her drunk enough to frick him in the first place.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 6:01 am to ballscaster
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That's because I know that abortion and murder aren't the same thing.
No. I think (Key word: THINK) it's because you KNOW what a gun would do to a baby. You haven't seen and are pretty much unaware of what abortion actually does.
Add to that the countless cases where a baby survives the abortion and the "Health Care workers" throw the baby in the trash to die, or if they are really humane leave the room until it dies on its own.
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Want an eye opener? Do a little research. Just a little. Look up EXACTLY what Manual Vacuum Aspiration, Dilation and Evacuation, and Dilation and Extraction are. Find out exactly how abortions are performed and what happens if they fail. Liberals usually pride themselves on being informed, so I challenge you to fully inform yourself beyond the mere words. Know how they are performed and what happens.
And don't just say "I know how it is done." because you have heard or somebody told you. Read about them from an unbiased source, neither for or against abortion.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 6:03 am to DawgsLife
Nothing you say is at all relevant. What you think of babies just does not matter.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 6:15 am to ballscaster
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Nothing you say is at all relevant. What you think of babies just does not matter.
In other words you refuse to see what is done to babies?
I don't blame you.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 6:19 am to DawgsLife
quote:No. Just read my post. What it says is what I'm saying.
In other words
How much or how little either of us knows about abortion is irrelevant. Also, you're proving my point. You don't believe that abortion is murder, and I can tell because you aren't interested in anything but preaching and moral high ground.
No matter how bad you think abortion is, the government does not have the right to enter the snatch to investigate what it thinks might be a crime scene. No means no. If you don't like abortion, you'll have to leave it with God. Show true faith in Him and rely on Him instead of deifying the government.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 6:23 am to ballscaster
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How much or how little either of us knows about abortion is irrelevant.
Let me see....we must stop Capital Punishment because it is inhumane, yet it is irrelevant concerning abortion? Ok.
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You don't believe that abortion is murder, and I can tell because you aren't interested in anything but preaching and moral high ground.
I do believe abortion is murder. And would you mind showing me where i was preaching or using moral high ground? i was simply telly you to inform yourself.
If your argument is I am preaching and moral high ground what do liberals do concerning capital punishment?
Your hypocrisy is mind boggling.
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No matter how bad you think abortion is, the government does not have the right to enter the snatch to investigate what it thinks might be a crime scene.
Yet it does have the right to provide the abortion and birth control? You are all over the place.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 6:42 am to DawgsLife
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And would you mind showing me where i was preaching or using moral high ground?quote:
I do believe abortion is murder.quote:
i was simply telly you to inform yourself.quote:
Your hypocrisy is mind boggling.quote:
You are all over the place.
quote:Don't know. Ask them.
If your argument is I am preaching and moral high ground what do liberals do concerning capital punishment?
quote:If she says that they have the right to do so, then yes.
Yet it does have the right to provide the abortion and birth control?
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 6:43 am
Posted on 3/26/17 at 6:50 am to ballscaster
quote:
Nothing you say is at all relevant. What you think of babies just does not matter.
Which is just as easily re-responded your way.
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Nothing you say is at all relevant. What you think of babies just does not matter.
He has more than once proven how erroneous your assertion was that:I know this as a fact: there isn't a single person on this board who believes that abortion and murder are the same thing, and their actions indicate this. Since he obviously does and if you count me, then that would at least make two. Generalizations concerning live and death tend to be shitty at best, as is thinking for other people.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 6:52 am to awestruck
quote:Neither of you believes this. Your actions prove it.
Since he obviously does and if you count me, then that would at least make two.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 7:11 am to ballscaster
quote:Denial is a nasty thing, you really ought to get over it, before people start believing you incapable of understanding the written word.
Neither of you believes this
I may have not proven abortion is murder, but neither have I attempted to prove such. Nor have I failed to state it was my belief, which is obvious as you're replying to this very matter.
OK though, have it your way, place your ignorance out there for all the world to see. Because your saying, that I'm not saying something, while I'm repeating that very something; only leads me to believe there's no further use communicating with someone too dense to comprehend (understand what they've just written). ...HAGD,
, better luck next time, sayonara. edit: grammar - way bad
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 7:28 am
Posted on 3/26/17 at 8:19 am to ballscaster
Yeah, you have made that point before but that does not answer my question.
What is gross or immoral about it? You certainly don't think that just for the hell of it.
Why, if it's not murder, will those who have abortions have justice given to them by a higher authority than the US Government?
What is gross or immoral about it? You certainly don't think that just for the hell of it.
Why, if it's not murder, will those who have abortions have justice given to them by a higher authority than the US Government?
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:26 am to Dick Leverage
His point is that if we saw a person with a gun pointed at them we might try to intervene and stop the gunman to save a life while we don't kill abortion doctors or even stand in front of abortion clinics, blocking the entrance, to prevent murder via abortion. Because we won't or don't do those things, we must not really consider abortion the same as murder.
I always respond with Just War Theory.
I always respond with Just War Theory.
quote:These are the principles of a just war and the bold segment is why I believe we cannot wage the war against abortion using physical means. There is no chance of success. If we kill a doctor, we commit murder ourselves and don't stop abortions at all. If we block a door, we delay abortions for minutes until we are hauled off in a police car and save no lives. All physical actions do is hurt our cause. Politics is the only avenue we can use to wage and potentially win the war.
having just cause, being a last resort, being declared by a proper authority, possessing right intention, having a reasonable chance of success, and the end being proportional to the means used.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:50 am to poncho villa
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if you are pro choice you should be pro choice on paying child support. BOOM.
If you are pro life, you should be pro child support, pro Medicaid, pro food stamps, pro head start, etc. "Life" doesn't end at birth.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:54 am to LSUwag
Holy shnite. I and many on this board should take offense to this. I was raised by a single mother, and I wasn't a career plan, Einstein.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:55 am to poncho villa
I'm pro choice for one reason and one reason only. The poor have far more abortions than the rich. I'm for anything that stems the poors birth rate.
I'd much rather trailer park tammie abort little Aiden than baby Aiden come into the world, live a life of crime, and spout out more baby Aidens who will in turn keep the poverty cycle going.
Is it not more humane to end the suffering before it begins? Think of how much money is saved down the road for each abortion had.
If only we had a monetary incentive for sterilization that would entice the poor to get sterilized young rather than spout out several kids who will be abysmal failures in life.
I'd much rather trailer park tammie abort little Aiden than baby Aiden come into the world, live a life of crime, and spout out more baby Aidens who will in turn keep the poverty cycle going.
Is it not more humane to end the suffering before it begins? Think of how much money is saved down the road for each abortion had.
If only we had a monetary incentive for sterilization that would entice the poor to get sterilized young rather than spout out several kids who will be abysmal failures in life.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:58 am to OMLandshark
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Bible Thumping mouthbreathers say they don't want their tax dollars going to that.
Nice generalisation. Why aren't the nine separate options available on the $4 Wal Mart list with assistance through insurance and community clinics sufficient? Additionally, it's presently mandated that everyone have insurance. Why don't the people who want/need it select a plan that provides it or have the foresight to realise that $48/year out of pocket is cheaper than upping their health plan tier? You want to force a legitimate moral opposition on many to save those who would take advantage of it $48 annually? That sounds much more like forcing a political point than actually providing a service to me...
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:07 am to islandtiger
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If you are pro life, you should be pro child support, pro Medicaid, pro food stamps, pro head start, etc. "Life" doesn't end at birth
This is a little too black and white. I don't think anyone is really opposed to the programs you speak of. I think people are opposed to the lack of personal responsibility in otherwise capable individuals taking advantage of these programs and would like to see more restrictions/limitations on who is eligible. Not giving handouts to all is quite different than not seeing all life as worthwhile/important. Some may even make the argument that a life lived on taking handouts is less than fulfilling its purpose than if they were up and working and contributing to society.
Notice nowhere in there did I mention what I actually think. But there are plenty of logical arguments that disagree with your own that may be worth listening to.
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