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Want to blame someone - see Paul Ryan FIRST

Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:35 am
Posted by FlatLakeTiger
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:35 am
He promised the bill would pass. It didn't. It was Ryan's leadership that failed to deliver, not Trump.

Do the problems of Obamacare go away because of this non-vote yesterday? Of course not. It will implode as its starved of money by the Republican Congress.

Don't forget the HHS Secretary can make administrative changes so look for Price to make moves.

All in all, I'd rather the Republicans not vote on a less than good bill than pass some other crap that doesn't work.
Posted by TT9
Global warming
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90105 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:37 am to
Trumpcare failed, Donnie put his name to it. It's his disaster too.
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:38 am to
Posted by GFaceKillah
Welcome to the Third World
Member since Nov 2005
5935 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:38 am to
The Chumpcare failure is squarely on trump AND Ryan's shoulders.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:39 am to
Cuck Ryan will lose the speakership over this.

The reign of Gowdy will begin
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:40 am to
I'm not sure how you can separate the two on this issue. Trump literally called it "our" bill.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:41 am to
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Cuck Ryan will lose the speakership over this.

The reign of Gowdy will begin


You have so much to learn
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17390 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:42 am to
I don't think too many conservatives will hold it against Ryan for failing to pass a more expensive version of Obamacare that covered fewer people.

A few may hold it against him for throwing that bullshite out there in the first place but Trump bears equal responsibility for that.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:43 am
Posted by msutiger
Houston
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Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:42 am to
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Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
25934 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:43 am to
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Cuck Ryan will lose the speakership over this.

The reign of Gowdy will begin


Trump would never let amnesty Gowdy in as speaker

There is a reason Trump didn't pick him for any cabinet positions. He went full NeverTrump before the New Hampshire primary
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
25934 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:44 am to
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Here it comes. Trumpkins throwing their boy Ryan ten feet under the bus to try and save face for the Cheeto king.


Please find any post I have made here in support of Paul Ryan

I have hated the guy since he teamed up with Karl Rove in 2013 to try and shove amnesty down our throats
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:45 am to
People wanting to replace Ryan seem to forget the difficulty in filling that position the last go-round

No one wants to be at the center of that cluster frick, and the position is even less appealing now
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135101 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:03 am to
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Want to blame someone - see Paul Ryan FIRST
There is plenty of blame to go around. This was a poorly explained, disorganized, feckless effort all around.

Ryan played the most significant role. Healthcare first was his idea. He failed to count votes. He failed to include key leaders. He compiled what was aptly termed "obamacare lite" in secrecy. He failed to explain why preservation of many of the costliest aspects of obamacare was required under reconciliation. All that is on Ryan. All that is inexcusable.

But Pence and Price are both creatures of the House. They knew or should have known resistance points as well. They should have beaten the everloving snot out of Freedom Caucus obstructionists who were, in essence, being paid to preserve obamacare.

But of course, like it or not, responsibility normally extends to the POTUS, as it certainly does here
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 10:05 am
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
41304 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:06 am to
Trump owns it now.

In, fact the entire GOP owns healthcare now.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16576 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:26 am to
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But Pence and Price are both creatures of the House. They knew or should have known resistance points as well. They should have beaten the everloving snot out of Freedom Caucus obstructionists who were, in essence, being paid to preserve obamacare.


My problem with this bill was the fact that we had to pass this, then issue some regulatory reform, then make another change. Most people saw the multi pronged attack as a problem. What if step 2 or 3 was not done, then we are stuck with a bigger screwup.

The best option is to use the nuclear option, issue a full repeal. Then when it is dead both sides will have to work together to get a new plan that will work without being too burdensome.

My idea would be to change the requirements for medicare to cover anyone who did not have insurance. This covers the poor and the young who think they dont need insurance. However it should only cover basic things and not specialists or cutting edge treatments. Just basic healthcare.

Then make a requirement that purchased coverage must include the same coverage as the basic things in medicare PLUS pre-existing conditions, children left on policy until age 25, access to policy's across state lines.

Make the law a couple of pages long. Not 1500 pages of lawyer speak. Simple, concise, and to the point. If most of the things that people want are in there they will support it. It should not be a requirement that every policy covers everything and is a platinum Cadillac plan. Life is not fair. We do not all live in the best homes, drive the safest cars, eat the healthiest foods. Why should our coverage for this cover everything? If the government is going to offer some form of coverage to everyone it should be only basic coverage.
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
17983 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:26 am to
No. He doesn't. Nice troll tho.
Posted by AaronDeTiger
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2014
2157 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:40 am to
Thank God for the Freedom Caucus obstructionists. They saved us from a shite Obamacare Lite Bill that would have exploded on Trump in the middle of his reelection bid.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
161891 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:26 am to
The entire problem was the extreme arrogance of the GOPe. They hid the thing in secret at first; and I watched on LIVE TV-- the GOPe guys line up -- making fun of Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, the Freedom Caucus. Saying they were being dramatic and getting attention with cameras following them. The GOPe thought were too good for the rest of us, and think they know better. So, they tried to pass what their lobbyists wanted.

It would have worked if anyone believed them anymore. No one believed Phase II, or III would ever happen, in the end. I tried to be open minded and give them a shot in the beginning. They should have brought everyone to the table in the beginning. The GOPe could frick up a wet dream.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 11:27 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135101 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:31 am to
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The best option is to use the nuclear option, issue a full repeal. Then when it is dead . . . .
That was not politically feasible until 'replace' was shut down by the Dem bloc, and until obamacare collapse moves from realm of prediction to that of stark public reality.

This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 11:32 am
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2834 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:40 pm to
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People wanting to replace Ryan seem to forget the difficulty in filling that position the last go-round


It shouldn't have been that difficult. The issue was that the GOPe wanted one of their shills and deep inside they know that the base had had enough. Finding a true conservative to lead wouldn't that difficult if he wouldn't be fighting his own GOPe leadership most of the time.

Case in point: This piece of crap of a so-called healthcare bill was Obamacare lite. The GOPe really doesn't have a problem with Obamacare because it ultimately helps the multinational corporations -- especially when it implodes and the masses beg for single-payer, as designed. Rather than implement a true market-based system, they kept many of the things that make Obamacare untenable, such as the mandated coverages.

If the leadership had proposed a true market-based system, some claim that many "moderate" GOP wouldn't support it and therefore would be dead on arrival. I disagree in two ways: One, why pretend to repeal ObamaCare if you are just going to tinker with it. The people can see right through that and this is a great way to demoralize your base. Second, the moderates were more likely to cave under pressure, since this is what they do. If they had promoted a truly good healthcare bill, it would have passed.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:42 pm
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