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Christopher Nolan's "Dunkirk" will have a unique plot structure

Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:38 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:38 pm
As if we thought he'd do a straight up war film.

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"The film is told from three points of view. The air (planes), the land (on the beach), and the sea (the evacuation by the navy)," Nolan told French publication Premiere, as translated by ThePlaylist. "For the soldiers embarked in the conflict, the events took place on different temporalities. On land, some stayed one week stuck on the beach. On the water, the events lasted a maximum day; and if you were flying to Dunkirk, the British spitfires would carry an hour of fuel. To mingle these different versions of history, one had to mix the temporal strata. Hence the complicated structure; even if the story, once again, is very simple."


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Dunkirk will also draw inspiration from silent films and will have very little dialogue.

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“The editing was more complicated because there is little dialogue,” Nolan said. “The empathy for the characters has nothing to do with their story. I did not want to go through the dialogue to tell the story of my characters. The problem is not who they are, who they claim to be, or where they come from.

“The only question I was interested in was: Will they get out of it? Will they be killed by the next bomb while trying to join the mole? Or will they be crushed by a boat crossing?”

Nolan said he studied films like Intolerance, Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans and Greed, drawing inspiration from the different directorial styles.


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Posted by TT9
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:41 pm to
I just wanna hear the Jericho trumpet pounding down.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:45 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:45 pm to
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The problem is not who they are, who they claim to be, or where they come from.


Isn't that a problem in filmmaking?

People care about people and their story...not just bodies.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:49 pm to
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Isn't that a problem in filmmaking?



Depends on what kind of film you're trying to make.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:50 pm to
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:20 pm to
People care about people and their story...not just bodies.


I've seen a few "documentaries" where the bodies were the focus of the filmmaker's efforts...
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:29 pm to
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Depends on what kind of film you're trying to make.


I don't think Gallopi would have mean't much to me...if I hadn't had an hour of pre-war story on Mark Lee and Mel Gibson's characters. Why did they do that? When even their colonels didn't want them to rush into the line. You can't just have action without motivation and the motivation just can't be "because WWI." Or in the case of this movie, WWII.

Paths of Glory deals with this. Life and death in war is just as complicated as life and death outside...these aren't robots, not just orders...they are human beings ...and involves people who had motivations and reservations...naturally due to preservation and also to leadership and objective and purpose and point in life - and everything else under the sun. (Malick in A Thin Red Line also touched on this reality.)

You can't just have - people doing stuff just to do stuff and you can't just have action where you can't emphasize or connect with the characters...especially in war. That's important.

If he's making a video game...fine. I guess some people want that.

But without character development - it's not a movie...because those involve stories...and I've never read a novel that didn't include describing a main a character and his motivations and fears.

If Nolan wants to make a real life Star Wars Storm-Trooper movie...unknown people die en-masse. That's fine. But I don't see how it works...it seems a contradiction to basic story-telling. Unless movies have decided they don't need to tell a story - just show pictures that move rapidly in front of our eyes.

But then it's just Tom and Jerry getting whacked over the head...actually, I might have more empathy. I grew up with Tom and Jerry.

(I think he might be trying to do a Mel Gibson thing ala Apocalypto...but even then we got to know the characters quite well.)
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 9:33 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:33 pm to
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But without character development - it's not a movie...because those involve stories...and I've never read a novel that didn't include describing a main a character and his motivations and fears.


Watch United 93 and get back to me. That was one of the most critically acclaimed movies of 2006, and my personal #1 from that year, and it included zero character development.

This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 9:35 pm
Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 1:36 am to
Don't forget, though, this is history. If there is one thing Hollywood screws up more than anything, it's history.

How many times must we suffer a bullshite antagonist or love interest made up entirely for no other reason than some asshat thought the story could use some fake elements to help the audience identify with the characters. As if historical events don't have enough drama, we need last second chase scenes and loves that almost weren't. What they don't realize it's such devices are used like a crutch because they failed in conveying the true drama of the moment. Had the writer and director done their jobs, you wouldn't need BS character development tricks.
Posted by johnnydrama
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 2:48 am to
Makes no difference. This board will slobber Nolan's knob no matter how mediocre the movie is.
Posted by LuckySo-n-So
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 6:41 am to
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I've seen a few "documentaries" where the bodies were the focus of the filmmaker's efforts...


That sounds interesting. Do you know of some central place, like, say, a "hub" where some of these documentaries may be viewed?
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 9:10 am to
quote:

But without character development - it's not a movie...because those involve stories...and I've never read a novel that didn't include describing a main a character and his motivations and fears.


Assuming the movie is engrossing enough do you really need deep character development?

The idea is to show the human experience of a battle, not to make you cry cause Jim won't get back to his sweetheart. We already understand what is at stake when young men go to war.

I rather see a movie spend time on taking you into the Dreed that is battle on that scale.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15943 posts
Posted on 3/11/17 at 9:48 am to
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This board will slobber Nolan's knob no matter how mediocre the movie is.


And the haters will call it shite bc Nolan's name is attached to it. Stop being mad bc a lot people love his films
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 10:59 am to
But will love transcend time and space?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
39902 posts
Posted on 3/11/17 at 11:10 am to
Would rather see Zack Snyder's take on this.


//Drops chum bucket
///Runs
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 11:13 am to
I'm not a WWII fan but I'm ready for this one.

Im already calling it GOAT war movie.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:06 pm to
Terrence Malick already did this 19 years ago with Thin Red Line. I doubt this movie will be better.
Posted by Tackle74
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:30 pm to

perfectly said
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:30 pm to
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Thin Red Line












literally what happened
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

As if historical events don't have enough drama, we need last second chase scenes and loves that almost weren't. What they don't realize it's such devices are used like a crutch because they failed in conveying the true drama of the moment. Had the writer and director done their jobs, you wouldn't need BS character development tricks.




Thing is you think you'd want this, but honestly just straight up story telling doesn't usually make for a really good movie. And if you're going to a film to be educated on history, that's on you.

Hanks has said this in a few interviews concerning Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, and Sully. They talk to the people they are going to be portraying and up front tell them "this is going to be maybe 15% accurate. You're going to do things you never did, going to say things you never said." They try to honor those subjects as best they can, but in the end, they are making a movie.
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