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re: DVMs of the OB...career questions

Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:37 am to
Posted by DownSouthDave
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:37 am to
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Those fricking loans tho

You aren't kidding. She has about 175k in student loans. It's going to slow us down for a second, but we will get through them. It's a hell of an anchor to start off with though.

I appreciate the offer in Dallas, but we are trying to stay local. I know it's easier to find a spot if you're willing to relocate, we just aren't at that point yet.

She doesn't want to work emergency and I don't really want her to. I dated an emergency vet before and it was tough. We had completely opposite schedules and it was no fun. She did pretty well in emergency though, made enough to get her own practice up and running. Plus, after getting her arse kicked for 4 years, I think she's ready for normal hours and a normal schedule. Can't say I blame her.

Does an entry level vet typically have much leverage? I realize all situations are different, I guess I'm asking if clinics are typically open to hiring a new vet on with a percentage based contract vs a salary? She's definitely more of a worker than a cuddle puppies all day type and my guess is that she would do better with a percentage.

So vets get a cut of prescriptions and rx food? I had no idea.

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It's $200 a month

Mind me asking how much coverage that is? Her people quoted her less than half that if she signs up before she graduates for 90k.

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I'd shoot for 18-20% production across the board excluding refills.

Can you elaborate on this?

Thanks for all the replies. It's a great help.
Posted by LSUVET82
Florida
Member since May 2011
108 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:21 pm to
Owners are always a little timid to hire new grads just cause you have no idea what you are getting. 4.0 and top of your class doesn't make you a good clinician. It's about interacting with clients as much as it is diagnosing disease. You don't have a lot of leverage but a new grad willing to work on production takes pressure off owner tonsomw degree. If she is working hard making practice money then they are happy to pay her but if you have to pay someone set salary and they can't reach those production goals then practice loses money. She could make some options such as a monthly evaluation and if she is exceeding her production then she gets a bonus.
For instance and ease of calculating let's say she makes a $50k a year. Well then she needs to produce $250k a year at 20% production to justify that salary. Now in a flat salary situation say she produces $350k which is 100k over what she needed, then hospital doesn't have to pay her for the extra. On a production type compensation she would get paid 20% of that 350 which is $70k but what if you produce nothing or a very low amount. So in a pro-sal setup she has a base salary that she gets regardless and then gets paid extra if she exceeds its. So win win for both sides.

But like I said what type of practice you are talking about might change opinion on what's best. Ask what average production for full time vets at practice are. What is hospitals gross production. Those things will give you an idea of what can be expected. If it's a 2 dr clinic and average gross production for a dr is 3-400k then expect to get paid 60-80k plus benefits.
There are different models for compensation on food and RX meds. Sometimes depends on what clinic marks up meds and food. We only give production if you send home meds or food during a visit. Refills go to hospital. Just isn't enough markup to give dr credit every time they refill. Majority of production comes from services though.

My disability covers up to like 75% of salary so it has gone up as salary has gone up. It's really a complete gamble but with wife and kids, you don't want them to be screwed should something happen. Knew a girl who got severe fibromyalgia and couldn't work, she gets 90k a year till she dies thanks to Disability insurance.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 5:24 pm
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11912 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 11:25 am to
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You aren't kidding. She has about 175k in student loans


My dad has been a practicing veterinarian in the Baton Rouge and Livingston area for over 30 years. He has tried to talk many people out of going into veterinary medicine for this reason among others. I couldn't even imagine being buried in so much debt and basically paying for a second house you can't live in.

Also, veterinarians don't make nearly as much money as people think. People assume they are fricking stacked and buried in their own piles of cash but this just isn't true. Unless you go into private practice or are willing to move, you will be paying off those debts for a very very long time.

My dad also applied for a teaching job at the veterinary school and I learned that they really don't give a shite about the students getting a quality education. The vast majority of the students go into private practice and yet the vet school barely prepares them for the rigors of private practice. My dad put together a giant presentation to be hired and had a ton of students come in and watch his presentation. So many of them were blown away by how good it was and the fact that he mentioned compassion fatigue, something many vet students never even hear about. Veterinarians have one of the highest rates of suicide for those practicing medicine.

Sorry to ramble but they wouldn't hire my dad simply because he's not board certified. Never mind the fact that he's practiced in south Louisiana for over 30 years and would be an incredible resource for students. They originally required board certification, then pulled the requirement, then after my dad poured his heart and soul into the presentation put the requirement back up. My dad wanted an opportunity to prepare new students and was willing to really invest himself personally in it.

Yes, I'm salty. frick the LSU vet school. That showed me they don't care about preparing their students for the real world and only want that green.

/rant
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 11:27 am
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