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re: Trump meeting with Le Pen right now
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:20 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:20 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Yes, the money we spend to protect other NATO countries allows them to divert money that would be spent on defense...
To a certain extent, I agree. But there can only be one No. 1. Although I am not a globalist, we still need a sphere of influence for us to remain No. 1, and NATO is a large portion of that. Plus, we still need a buffer in Western Europe. Maybe less so than during the Cold War, but still needed, nonetheless. Thus, force the deadbeats to pay up.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:23 pm to joshnorris14
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My major qualm with the EU the self-destructive policy of importing Islam and it's future impact on Europe through relatively high birth rates and exponentially higher welfare usage rates.
Are you talking about the refugee thing? Because the other Muslims in Britain, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Germany came before the EU and will be there after the EU.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:24 pm to joshnorris14
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My major qualm with the EU the self-destructive policy of importing Islam and it's future impact on Europe through relatively high birth rates and exponentially higher welfare usage rates.
But that importation of those Muslims isn't an EU policy. The majority of Muslims in Britain are from South Asia, former British colonial possessions, and migration to Britain began in earnest in the 1960's, 30 years before the Maastrict Treaty. That policy of importation had nothing to do with the EU. In France the majority of Muslim immigrants are from Francophile African countries, former French colonial possessions. Again that importation began long before the EU was formed. And the same is true of Germany, which had a guest worker agreement with Turkey in the 1970's. The guest worker programs also partly explain the Netherlands and Belgium.
I mean, between Germany, France, and GB alone, that represents 13 million Muslims (a very problematic figure for various reasons), the vast majority of whom came before the creation of the EU.
The EU is bad policy mainly because a shared currency works best, as Milton Friedman suggests, when there is a shared culture among the group involved in the free movement. The importation of Muslim people has been a feature of post-war Europe at large, not a function of the EU specifically.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:26 pm to TN Bhoy
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Are you talking about the refugee thing? Because the other Muslims in Britain, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Germany came before the EU and will be there after the EU.
Europe has a history of swinging the pendulum too far if you know what I'm saying. And Muslims were stupid enough to create their own ghettos. Let's hope it doesn't get to that point
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:29 pm to joshnorris14
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And Muslims were stupid enough to create their own ghettos
They didn't create ghettos. Their respective governments created the ghettos through their shitty policies around where the Muslims workers settled. You'd think that a supposed 'anarcho-capitalist' would recognise that.
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Europe has a history of swinging the pendulum too far if you know what I'm saying. And Muslims were stupid enough to create their own ghettos. Let's hope it doesn't get to that point
So, in your hope it doesn't 'get to that point', you want the French to make someone President who believes that wearing anything religious at all should be illegal as a 'symbol'?
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:30 pm to AlaTiger
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Are we against NATO too?
I'm not against NATO
I am against footing almost the entire bill for NATO.
Under the Treaty each NATO country is required to spend at least 2% of it's GDP on their own defense.
Currently only 3 NATO countries comply.
We pay for the rest.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:32 pm to TN Bhoy
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They didn't create ghettos. Their respective governments created the ghettos through their shitty policies around where the Muslims workers settled. You'd think that a supposed 'anarcho-capitalist' would recognise that.
I didn't realise AnCaps relinquished personal autonomy and responsibility from Muslims. My apologies for not being racist enough
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:33 pm to joshnorris14
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Europe has a history of swinging the pendulum too far if you know what I'm saying.
Which is why the importation of refugees from Syria was a bad idea. In Germany and GB integration was going alright. France has had massive issues with integrating its immigrant communities, which were exacerbated by the migrant situation.
The dissolution of the EU also means that there won't be a check to German power, which is one of the reasons for economic integration in the first place.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:33 pm to TN Bhoy
Eat shite it was the libs wrong on brexit
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:34 pm to notsince98
quote:They can do that by changing the EU's "rules." It doesn't take a dissolution of the EU to accomplish that.
Again I will ask, how is it beneficial if the EU breaks apart?
Countries regain their sovereignty from un-elected bureaucrats and they can then act in their own best interests and do things that work best for them.
I guess I should have been more specific: how is it beneficial to the USA if the EU breaks up?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:35 pm to joshnorris14
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My major qualm with the EU the self-destructive policy of importing Islam and it's future impact on Europe through relatively high birth rates
Your understanding of the situation seems quite limited.
Maybe you don't know, but the birth rates for the developed European countries is below replacement levels. That means their populations are shrinking - which leads to economic stagnation. The very reason they're bringing immigrants in is to maintain their populations.
Taken globally, the total fertility rate at replacement is 2.33 children per woman:
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:39 pm to gthog61
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Eat shite it was the libs wrong on brexit
The fricking commies voted FOR Brexit, you fricking moron. That's why it passed. The communists who normally vote Labour broke with Labour and voted Leave. This is why Labour is freaking out over here. This is why it shocked so many establishment people over here.
There was no conservative case made for Brexit in the UK, only in the US. That's why I, as someone who thinks the EU is a piece of shite, supported Remain.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:41 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Die in a war? Seems many here don't give a frick that is very possible with King Cheeto.
But hey, he mocks the press and says what we want, right, geniuses?
But hey, he mocks the press and says what we want, right, geniuses?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:41 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Jeez, they are popping kids out quickly in Africa
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:41 pm to joshnorris14
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I didn't realise AnCaps relinquished personal autonomy and responsibility from Muslims. My apologies for not being racist enough
I was taking issue with your statement that the Muslims created the ghettos. They didn't. The governments did, and the governments keep them there.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:41 pm to AlaTiger
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Are we against NATO too?
frick no. NATO is the only thing that keeps Russia in check.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:42 pm to AlaTiger
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Pretty much the whole post-WW2 order needs to go away, right?
Pretty much.
When your version of "saving Europe" means turning France, Sweden and the UK into Muslim shitholes, your way isn't working.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:42 pm to Mr. Katanga
First of all it possible under any president. Secondly it has to go thru Congress. What's your point?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:44 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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That means their populations are shrinking - which leads to economic stagnation. The very reason they're bringing immigrants in is to maintain their populations.
"We have to destroy Europe in order to save it".
That's insane and nonsensical, unless you're a NeoCon who only cares about GDP.
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