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re: Say no to frickin Tim Williams
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:16 pm to Nissanmaxima
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:16 pm to Nissanmaxima
quote:Our own Danielle Hunter had 3 sacks his junior season. 3.
I have never been high on Williams. In fact I will be pissed if we take him at #11
53rd in NCAA in sacks(when he was suppose to be their sack master)
Not even ranked in top 155 in NCAA in tackles
Do I need to say it? Overrated!!
This last season for the Vikings he had 10.
Players can get better on the next level. It happens all the time.
Myles Garrett's stats are quite second to Derek Barnett for instance, particularly if you count only SEC sacks.
Some think that means Barnett will be a better prospect. I think it's a mistake to count out players as talented as the ones we're talking about for stats purposes. I'd bank money the best NFL scouts don't give two spits about pure numbers. They're looking at how Williams comes off the snap, he quickly he can go from a standstill to sacking the QB. The kind of bend and lateral agility he has running down mobile QBs.
It might be a moot point in the end as Williams could go well ahead of where the Saints pick. To say nothing of what'll happen if he runs a sub 4.6 at the combine.
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:05 am to Eman5805
Spot on. Williams isn't capable of a 4.6 though. He'll be a 4.8 guy. The first step and the bend and turn the corner aren't coachable though, and he's elite in both areas. I think a lot of the hate stems from the same thing as Ingram hate. He's been a better pass rusher than Myles Garrett against common opponents, and Garrett will be a combine freak
The whole "can't play the run" narrative is kind of a farce, but here's the deal on that.
Guys that are proven elite pass rushers and proven consistent run defenders don't make it to the 11th pick. There's usually 1 of those guys every class or two. Nobody is drafting edge guys early to defend the run, this is a passing league and it's imperative to pressure the quarterback
The whole "can't play the run" narrative is kind of a farce, but here's the deal on that.
Guys that are proven elite pass rushers and proven consistent run defenders don't make it to the 11th pick. There's usually 1 of those guys every class or two. Nobody is drafting edge guys early to defend the run, this is a passing league and it's imperative to pressure the quarterback
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 12:14 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:45 am to Eman5805
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Some think that means Barnett will be a better prospect.
Not really. The game tape will tell you: Garrett faced a ridiculous amount of double and triple teams this year. Like every single snap he played (also missed a reasonable amount of time due to injury).
Anyone who takes their job seriously as a scout or media who covers the draft does not think Barnett is better than Garrett
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:44 pm to Eman5805
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Our own Danielle Hunter had 3 sacks his junior season. 3.
and he went in the 3rd round because of it.
Hunter also played the run extremely well, he just had a terrible DL coach that taught him no pass rushing moves. Hunter was a physical specimen that Brick wasted, the effort was always there though.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 1:46 pm
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