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Why do we keep giving LSU coaching jobs to Louisiana natives who "deserve" it?
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:12 pm
When the LSU basketball head coaching job came open, Dale Brown and Collis Temple were lobbying hard to give the job to Johnny Jones. He deserved it or something. He was local, a part of LSU, and it was time for him. He just needed to get the job, they said. The whole thing has been a failure.
Miles leaves and we hire Orgeron because he is from Louisiana and he "deserves" it. He talks like us and thinks like us. His history in no way qualifies him for the job, but he got it because people wanted him to have it. I really hope that his tenure is more successful than Johnny Jones has been, and there are reasons to think it will be. But, what I want to talk about is the mindset behind these hires that Alleva has made.
Is the world all of a sudden no bigger than Louisiana? Is LSU not a major university with a major athletic program? Why are we giving head coaching jobs at major sports to fan, booster, and community favorites instead of actually having a coaching search where we go out and find the best person for the job. Alleva has succumbed to this line of thinking - this provincialism that has hurt Louisiana for a long time. Why?
Why not go get the best? Why settle for the familiar? And, why does anyone "deserve" a LSU head coaching job?
I hope Coach O is successful and I hope that Johnny Jones turns it around. I'm asking more about the line of thinking that chooses the familiar over what is best.
Miles leaves and we hire Orgeron because he is from Louisiana and he "deserves" it. He talks like us and thinks like us. His history in no way qualifies him for the job, but he got it because people wanted him to have it. I really hope that his tenure is more successful than Johnny Jones has been, and there are reasons to think it will be. But, what I want to talk about is the mindset behind these hires that Alleva has made.
Is the world all of a sudden no bigger than Louisiana? Is LSU not a major university with a major athletic program? Why are we giving head coaching jobs at major sports to fan, booster, and community favorites instead of actually having a coaching search where we go out and find the best person for the job. Alleva has succumbed to this line of thinking - this provincialism that has hurt Louisiana for a long time. Why?
Why not go get the best? Why settle for the familiar? And, why does anyone "deserve" a LSU head coaching job?
I hope Coach O is successful and I hope that Johnny Jones turns it around. I'm asking more about the line of thinking that chooses the familiar over what is best.
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:14 pm to AlaTiger
Ryan Theriot gets the LSU baseball job when Paul steps down
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:15 pm to AlaTiger
its obvious we arent attracting the talent our fan base thinks should be begging to come here.
typical rant expectations
typical rant expectations
This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:15 pm to AlaTiger
Saves us money when they like LSU.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:15 pm to AlaTiger
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:16 pm to AlaTiger
LSU has 20 head coaches? You named 2 jobs that have gone to Louisiana natives.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:23 pm to lsu711
So far O has done very well. Not sure any other head coach would have done any better. He has hired well so far too. What would another head coach have done diffetently?
Basketball is a different issue. Johnny is just not a good coach. You can tell team has no fire and is poor fundamentally. O has his team fired up and fairly good fundamentally.
Basketball is a different issue. Johnny is just not a good coach. You can tell team has no fire and is poor fundamentally. O has his team fired up and fairly good fundamentally.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:25 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
Why do we keep giving LSU coaching jobs to Louisiana natives who "deserve" it?
Who besides O and JJ are LA natives?
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:25 pm to AlaTiger
Because we don't like to win.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:27 pm to lsu711
quote:
LSU has 20 head coaches? You named 2 jobs that have gone to Louisiana natives.
Yeah the 2 that really matter. Dont be naive. We all love lsu baseball and the other secondary sports but lsu basketball and lsu football will always be in forefront.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:31 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:ugh.... Baseball >>>> basketball, LSU LSU baseball may be the only college baseball team that turns a profit. A few years ago they were doing better than the basketball program I believe.
but lsu basketball and lsu football will always be in forefront.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:31 pm to AlaTiger
In the history of the football team that I am aware of (going back to Dietzel), Jerry Stovall was the only coach that I'm aware of that was from LA.
JJ is the first basketball coach from LA going back to Press Maravich.
What do you mean by "keep"
JJ is the first basketball coach from LA going back to Press Maravich.
What do you mean by "keep"
Posted on 1/7/17 at 7:58 pm to AlaTiger
Why you want to bring Coach O into this, I mean he did go 6-2 when they dominating bowl performance and held Alabama to the lowest point total of the season. Everyone keeps saying he's not qualified, remember Ole Miss did give him a job in which they thought he was qualified at the time. Sure he failed there but even he admits that he tried to be the quarterback coach the OC he had his hands on everything and he knew nothing about anything on the offensive side of the ball. He does the most important thing it takes to build a team recruit, and he is a master motivator. A lot of us fail at things the first time we try them, but he has been around some very successful programs and learned from some of these mistakes. When he took over the USC was anyone expecting him to only lose two games? I think his success he had at both places being The interim coach should count for more than A lot of us is giving him credit for.
College football is won first of all by recruiting The best of the best and then it is won in the trenches two things he is One of the best at. So I think a lot of us needs to chill out and sit back and enjoy what's about to happen.
College football is won first of all by recruiting The best of the best and then it is won in the trenches two things he is One of the best at. So I think a lot of us needs to chill out and sit back and enjoy what's about to happen.
This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 1/7/17 at 8:00 pm to broadcaster
If 6-2 or 5-2 is now considered a success then LSU football is in trouble....
Posted on 1/7/17 at 8:01 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
I'm asking more about the line of thinking that chooses the familiar over what is best.
don't be a simpleton. no one selected either coach because they were familiar. and the two situations are NOT comparable. basketball was floundering and it was time for a new coach; and the politics said give JJ a try. it hasn't worked out but frankly, other than Dale Brown, who has?
as far as football is concerned, you are telling mistruths. I have no doubt you actually believe what you say so i'm calling you narrow minded. LSU DID INDEED search for a HC. we hired a search firm and thy vet dozens of candidates. we tried to hire two of them and it didn't work out. the word with the narrowminded set is that they are the only two we interviewed. THAT'S WRONG. even tho i'm sure you do not want the truth here goes. HC searchs are NOT public searches. successful coaches do not want their flirting with another job to become known to their present employer. what is so damn hard to understand about that. so all of the other coaches stood pat and Alleva hired Orgeron.
it really isn't that complicated. you may not like the truth; but it is the truth. if Orgeron was unsuccessful as an interim no telling who we'd have now but it would not have been one of the dozen or so "finalists". plus our recruiting class would have imploded.
LSU does not want to hire a HC with no experience (like a DC or OC) or a small team coach unless it has to. that criterion alone makes it damn difficult. it's all about timing.
meanwhile, crybabies like you continue to beat a dead horse. ED ORGERON is our HC. so far, he's done well. do what real fans do, quit bitching, accept what has happened and get behind the coach and the team. in other words, grow up.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 8:03 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:first time reading this, is there a link to back it up? I don't remember this popping up on the Coaching Changes Board though.
we hired a search firm and thy vet dozens of candidates
Posted on 1/7/17 at 8:06 pm to AlaTiger
Why do we keep having threads asking the same stupid question that wrongly assumes the criterion for a head coach is that they be from Louisiana?
Stop with this shite
Stop with this shite
Posted on 1/7/17 at 8:08 pm to tduecen
quote:
If 6-2 or 5-2 is now considered a success then LSU football is in trouble....
this is a bull shite statement man. it completely neglects the real story. the team was in trouble big time; les miles had lost that team and the coaches all hated cam Cameron and they were about to lose the coaches. the offense was dysfunctional and our coaches couldn't even get a play in on time. all of that changed in one week after the cancer was removed. coach O did a great job and was a resounding success in the short time he had to turn things around. we had to use the same playbook and the players that were on the team.
fans are not going to consider 6-2 a success but I think Orgeron would have won the rest of the games. that would have been an 11-2 season. yes, that's a fricking success.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 8:10 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:Well this is just pure speculation.....
les miles had lost that team and the coaches all hated cam Cameron and they were about to lose the coaches
quote:hmmmm I remember this happening after the change as well....
our coaches couldn't even get a play in on time.
quote:Well again speculation.... I could say Les would have went 6-2 the rest of the year as well
but I think Orgeron would have won the rest of the games
Posted on 1/7/17 at 8:16 pm to tduecen
quote:
first time reading this, is there a link to back it up? I don't remember this popping up on the Coaching Changes Board though.
no, I don't stockpile proof to be used months later. this was reported early in the coaching search. it was not reported by tigerdroppings but an actual news outlet. a local one I believe. but, it happened and it is customary for colleges to do this. it was discussed on this board many times. a coaching search firm is very important to any big college search; present coaches (via their agents) will talk to a third party much more freely than directly with the college rep (ad). and the coach can say "I have not talked to anyone at LSU" without outright telling a lie.
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