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Making My First Gumbo for a Crowd

Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:23 am
Posted by pigpickin
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Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:23 am
So we've got a small gag gift/x-mas gathering for friends tomorrow night and I've volunteered to cook. I was going to do a chili but that sounded a bit boring to me so I figured I'd take a shot on a gumbo. I've cooked gumbo once before for just me and my wife, and since I don't remember it being remarkable or bad, it was certainly forgettable. So I did a little research on this board and I'm going to give Chef Paul Prudhomme's Chicken and Andouille Sausage Gumbo recipe a shot. I like the idea of a chicken and sausage gumbo as I feel like it's a crowd pleaser - safe yet delicious. But since I'm a complete gumbo newbie, I'm hoping for a little advice and potential pitfalls to avoid.

Here's the ingredient list, copypasta'd from the link:

Makes 6 main-dish or 10 appetizer servings

One 2- to 3-pound chicken, cut up
Salt
Garlic powder
Ground red pepper (preferably cayenne)
1 cup finely chopped onions
1 cup finely chopped green bell peppers
3/4 cup finely chopped celery
1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon garlic powder
1/2 teaspoon ground red pepper (preferably cayenne)
Vegetable oil for deep frying
About 7 cups chicken stock (Gigi's Chicken Stock recipe linked)
1/2 pound andouille smoked sausage (preferred) or any other good pure smoked pork sausage such as Polish sausage (kielbasa), cut into 1/4-inch cubes
1 teaspoon minced garlic
Hot cooked rice


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My first issue is the recipe I'm using says it feeds 6 as a main dish and I'm feeding 10. Half are women so I don't really feel the need to double the recipe, but I'd like to bump it by around 1/2. Is this as simple as increasing each ingredient by 50%? What about the roux? It calls for 1/2 c flour and 1/2 c oil when making the roux, so can I simply bump it to 3/4 c for both? How about the chicken? Maybe get some thighs along with a whole chicken?

2. My second question is I've seen peanut oil recommended for use in roux's and I know it's a good frying oil, so should I sub peanut for veg oil? Or does it matter?

3. I've also seen it recommended on this board to dump your onions in for a few minutes before you dump the celery and peppers. This recipe does not make that distinction...so is this important?

4. Thoughts on the stock recipe I'm using?

Any other general advice? I plan on getting my andouille sausage at Maxwell's in Shreveport. I've read up a bit on why your roux may break, so I plan on having my stock heated up prior to adding it. What else do I need to keep in mind to not totally screw this up?
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 8:27 am
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33909 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:25 am to
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2. My second question is I've seen peanut oil recommended for use in roux's and I know it's a good frying oil, so should I sub peanut for veg oil? Or does it matter?


Go buy a jar of Kary's roux and skip that whole step. Many will come argue that roux from scratch is better, but they are splitting hairs. this will save you a lot of time and head ache.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:26 am to
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buy a jar of Kary's


And 43 Bud Lights
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33909 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:26 am to
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And 43 Bud Lights

Well, of course
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33909 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:30 am to
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4. Thoughts on the stock recipe I'm using?

That is a complex stock. Just buy a hen, throw it in a pot of water whole with a chopped onion, some garlic, a little seasoning, and bay leave. (If you don't want a whole bird, chicken quarters.)
Boil for about an hour. take the bird out and pull off the meat. This is now your chicken for the gumbo.
The water is now stock.
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 8:31 am
Posted by pigpickin
Member since Oct 2014
148 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:31 am to
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buy a jar of Kary's


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And 43 Bud Lights


Now I feel like I'm being effed with
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33909 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:33 am to
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buy a jar of Kary's


quote:

And 43 Bud Lights


Now I feel like I'm being effed with


Nah man inside joke on the bud lights

The Kary's roux is legit.
Posted by pigpickin
Member since Oct 2014
148 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:37 am to
Cool, I hate Bud Light so wasn't sure.

How much of the Kary's would I need based on 1.5x the recipe? Honestly I'm not sure if I'll go this route since I like to overcomplicate things but I'll definitely pick some up to have that option if I need it.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33909 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:41 am to
Get a small jar and throw in most of it. It really depends on how dark/tick you like your gumbo.

ETA: I wish I could help more, but I never measure when I make gumbo. If anyone comes along with exact measurements for you. Listen to them.
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 8:43 am
Posted by pigpickin
Member since Oct 2014
148 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:47 am to
Thanks!
Posted by 8thyearsenior
Centennial, CO
Member since Mar 2006
4280 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:00 am to
Use prudhomme's recipe and make a stock and a roux like he says . If you cant make a stock you have no business doing anything else and the roux done at high heat like Prudhomme suggest take about 10 minutes.

He fries the chicken in the oil then uses it for the roux, so making your own roux is pretty crucial
Posted by MeridianDog
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Member since Nov 2010
14538 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:00 am to
Yes you can simply increase everything by 50%. You can also make more then you will need if you have a way to freeze it. Gumbo freezes well and is always better the next day.

There is no need to use peanut oil unless you have it already. Any vegetable Canola oil works, as does lard, shortening, duck fat. Butter is a real challenge to use in roux preparation because it will burn.

I would go a little light (maybe 10%) on the seasoning until you taste it and then add the rest if needed for your seasoning preference.

You might consider doing your roux in the oven. This is by far the easiest way to make a foolproof roux. Do it in a cast iron skillet or pot. Set the oven at 350 and stir every 15-30 minutes until the roux is the level of brown you like. At 350, there is little danger of burning your roux.

I like the process of making roux and have never used roux from a jar but some lazy folks do that. It is a nice way of getting lazy gumbo, kind of like opening a can of Campbell's gumbo soup and saying, "I made this from scratch"

Add the onion first if you like or dump it (onion, celery, peppers) all at the same time. I find it makes almost no difference at all.

I like thighs (dark meat) and am usually guilty of making my gumbo with thighs alone. If I have the time, I fry the thighs because I like that taste. A lot of folks use a rotisserie chicken for their meat, remove the chicken, set aside and boil the bones with celery, onion maybe a carrot(a bay leaf) and chicken broth from a can to make the stock and that works well, too.

Remember that normal spicy to you might light up your guests, so consider their taste preference before adding you cayenne. Also remember that the sausage adds a lot of spice, especially if you use hot sausage. You can always add heat at the end, but it is very hard to take it out.

Have some chopped green onions available to scatter on the top of the bowl when serving.

Have a good time. Making gumbo is not difficult at all.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
51460 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:14 am to
Roughly followed the recipe Wednesday. 4X. Just go by poundage on the chicken...any parts work. I used mostly legs.

Fry the skinless chicken and make your roux with that oil. Crucial for the end result.
Posted by Evil Little Thing
Member since Jul 2013
11529 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:35 am to
If you go the Kary's route, I use 1 cup of roux for about 9 cups of stock. It tastes delicious. ~1 1/3 cups of roux would be fine for 10-11 cups of stock, if you bumped up the recipe.

I would at least go with the 1.5x amount of gumbo if this is the main meal. It's way better to have too much than not enough. The original recipe sounds like a lot of food, but it seems to go quickly. I loosely follow Emeril's recipe, using 1 lb of sausage and 2-2.5 lbs of chicken, and we get about 6 normal sized bowls before the meat is pretty much gone.
Posted by pigpickin
Member since Oct 2014
148 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:41 am to
all, I think I can handle it now. I'll report back, success or failure!
Posted by pigpickin
Member since Oct 2014
148 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:45 am to
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Fry the skinless chicken and make your roux with that oil. Crucial for the end result.


Ah, I would have figured frying with the skin on then removing the skin before the meat gets added back. No?
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 9:46 am
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
51460 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:51 am to
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No?


Yep...no. Remove the skin and then fry. Dice the chicken once deboned. Skin in the final product not as good. And, you want the flavor of the "fry" in the gumbo, so skin that chicken first.
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 10:05 am
Posted by Linkovich
crater lake
Member since Feb 2007
9542 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:56 am to
Otis, do you ever use dried onions in your gumbo?
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 9:57 am
Posted by WeeBeaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
698 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:57 am to
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1. My first issue is the recipe I'm using says it feeds 6 as a main dish and I'm feeding 10. Half are women so I don't really feel the need to double the recipe, but I'd like to bump it by around 1/2.

I'd double it to be safe. I cooked one at thanksgiving for family (it was around 13 people) and a double batch was just enough for that many. Worst case scenario you'll have extra for leftovers.

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Is this as simple as increasing each ingredient by 50%? What about the roux? It calls for 1/2 c flour and 1/2 c oil when making the roux, so can I simply bump it to 3/4 c for both? How about the chicken? Maybe get some thighs along with a whole chicken?

In my experience, yes - doubling every ingredient will work... except for the roux. The amount of roux doesn't seem to be a linear ingredient to me - but someone correct me if I'm wrong. I usually do 3/4 cup flour / oil for a single batch (6 cups), and maybe 1-1/4 cup for a double batch. You can always make more roux and add at any point if its not thick enough.

Have some fresh chopped parsley to sprinkle over the top. And find some good french bread.
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 10:01 am
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6129 posts
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:58 am to
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like the process of making roux and have never used roux from a jar but some lazy folks do that. It is a nice way of getting lazy gumbo


I hear you but what I find the most funny are the people that pat themselves on the back for making their own roux and then use a rotisserie chicken from the store or canned or box chicken broth/stock.

Talk about lazy and clueless.

If you are looking to shave time I think using canned roux is your first option that will have the least impact on the final result.

This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 10:02 am
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