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re: TreDavious White draft stock
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:59 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:59 pm to lsufball19
Yep. U sure know what you talking bout.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:31 am to WaterLink
at people questioning his talent. He became the starter at CB Week 3 of his true freshman year and been a damn good player since then. How many true freshman CBs start from pretty much day 1 and hold down that spot their entire career at "DBU"? Very few. And all of them are extremely talented. You wouldn't be able to do that if you didn't have a lot of talent and ability.
He's had the lowest burn rates in CFB in 2014 and 2015. And he's played his best football this season. That's saying something.
Sure, he's been beat before and has some bad film. Guess what? All CBs do. They all get beat. It happens. But Tre White does not get beat often. He had a horrible game at Arky. I'll give you that. But I don't remember him ever struggling that bad his entire career. It's an outlier.
People say he got worked vs Treadwell. Treadwell had 4recs on 8 targets for 58yards. That's not getting worked at all. And Treadwell was a 1st round pick. It just so happens that 1 of his catches was a TD and that's all people remember. He did a damn good job vs Cooper as well. According to PFF, he's only given up 24recs this year and has 11PBUs with 2 INTs. And as of a few weeks ago, he only had 2 missed tackles this season(IMO his biggest improvement from last year).
I see Tre White going mid to late 1st in the draft. He's a very polished CB and his skill set translate very well to the NFL. He's a very natural and fluid CB who is always in a good position and rarely makes a mistake, smart player. While hes not the biggest CB, he's got extremely long arms and is a lot stronger than his build suggests. He plays bigger than he is and will compete against anyone, regardless of size. And it's not like he's a small CB, he's got good size. He's just not a huge CB. Not worried about his size at all.
At worst, he's the starting CB2 in the nfl. Also think he's versatile enough to play some nickel and even some safety at times, depending on some matchups and opponents game plan. Might not ever be a star, but he's gonna be a damn good player in the NFL for a long time.
He's had the lowest burn rates in CFB in 2014 and 2015. And he's played his best football this season. That's saying something.
Sure, he's been beat before and has some bad film. Guess what? All CBs do. They all get beat. It happens. But Tre White does not get beat often. He had a horrible game at Arky. I'll give you that. But I don't remember him ever struggling that bad his entire career. It's an outlier.
People say he got worked vs Treadwell. Treadwell had 4recs on 8 targets for 58yards. That's not getting worked at all. And Treadwell was a 1st round pick. It just so happens that 1 of his catches was a TD and that's all people remember. He did a damn good job vs Cooper as well. According to PFF, he's only given up 24recs this year and has 11PBUs with 2 INTs. And as of a few weeks ago, he only had 2 missed tackles this season(IMO his biggest improvement from last year).
I see Tre White going mid to late 1st in the draft. He's a very polished CB and his skill set translate very well to the NFL. He's a very natural and fluid CB who is always in a good position and rarely makes a mistake, smart player. While hes not the biggest CB, he's got extremely long arms and is a lot stronger than his build suggests. He plays bigger than he is and will compete against anyone, regardless of size. And it's not like he's a small CB, he's got good size. He's just not a huge CB. Not worried about his size at all.
At worst, he's the starting CB2 in the nfl. Also think he's versatile enough to play some nickel and even some safety at times, depending on some matchups and opponents game plan. Might not ever be a star, but he's gonna be a damn good player in the NFL for a long time.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:48 am to lsufball19
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can't really compare the two. Collins had great measurables, which is why he was drafted where he was, but it never translated to elite play in college and hasn't to this point in the NFL either. But he ran a sub 4.5 40 in the combine, with a 36 inch vertical and he is 6'1" 203 with long arms. He was drafted on potential.
I've actually read a couple scouting reports pointing out White was better than Collins covering Amari Cooper.
I think Aranda using him at nickle this season actually improved his value. Scouts will look at him as a guy that can play press man and cover the slot. I think he runs 4.5 or better and goes in the 1st round.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 1:01 am to MasterAbe1
It's cause he is projected as a slot corner and they just aren't valued as high in the draft. I'm not saying that I agree with that or that it is right but it is why he doesn't have the hype. I personally really like him as a pro prospect and hope he ends up on the Saints.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 1:08 am to Freddy238
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Yep. U sure know what you talking bout.
Actually, he does. You get drafted based on what scouts think you will do in the NFL...not what you did in college.
His comment what spot on.
TreDavious White is going to get drafted in the 2nd round unless he blows up at the combine. Personally, I think he's a late 1st round guy, but that's just my opinion.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 1:13 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:16 am to MasterAbe1
Mo Claiborne 2.0. Trey white not PP.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:35 am to lsufball19
They undersold Mathieu as well.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:42 am to KG5989
You Deserve several upvotes sir.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:46 am to MasterAbe1
The saints could sure use him.
Like tomorrow
Like tomorrow
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:53 am to MasterAbe1
Let the downvotes come in, but imo Tre is late second/early third round pick. He is a polished DB who can play multiple positions, but his measurables arnt anything spectactular. The only CB's that go first round are the true lock down guys who can shut down big time recievers. Tre just isnt that. However, the team that does pick him is going to get a heck of a value player, like the Eagles with Jalen Mills
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:56 am to MasterAbe1
NFL teams love measurables and sometimes ignore players or Overhype players because of them. As it stands, he's probably a second round corner. He can play man or zone which will help him, but he'll have to learn to be more physical with big NFL wideouts(in fairness, there are times he has been very physical. Example:the last pass Prescott threw in the 2015 matchup was to the big bodied 6'5" receiver and White out fought him)
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:06 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
Tre White is listed at 6-0, 197
This is a list of the 1st round CBs taken the last two years
Trae Waynes 6-0, 190
Kevin Johnson 6-0, 185
Marcus Peters 6-0, 197
Byron Jones 6-0, 199
Damarious Randall 5-11, 196
Justin Gilbert 6-0, 202
Kyle Fuller 5-11, 190
Darqueze Dennard 5-11, 198
Jason Verrett 5-10, 188
Bradley Roby 5-11, 194
I dont see how his size would affect his draft stock at all. I doubt very seriously that he falls out of the first round....
This is a list of the 1st round CBs taken the last two years
Trae Waynes 6-0, 190
Kevin Johnson 6-0, 185
Marcus Peters 6-0, 197
Byron Jones 6-0, 199
Damarious Randall 5-11, 196
Justin Gilbert 6-0, 202
Kyle Fuller 5-11, 190
Darqueze Dennard 5-11, 198
Jason Verrett 5-10, 188
Bradley Roby 5-11, 194
I dont see how his size would affect his draft stock at all. I doubt very seriously that he falls out of the first round....
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:36 am to ready4something
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They undersold Mathieu as well.
I mean they undersell a lot of players. It's not like scouting is a perfect science. Same can be said with recruiting. Some guys don't pan out and some guys turn out better than expected. That wasn't really the point of my post, though. The point was Collins and White are not really comparable. White is a bit smaller but more polished technique wise. Scouts fell in love with Collins' measurables, athleticism, and his potential but the overall consensus on him going into the draft was that he was raw and would be a project. The scotuing report on White is quite the contrary. He's is much more pro ready than Collins was. The questions surrounding him have to do whether he can physically match up with NFL WRs to be a CB1 in the league.
They may be drafted around the same spot in the draft but for two completely different reasons.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:39 am to lsufball19
He's going to blow the combine and interviews with the teams out of the water. I honestly think bc he's not a look at me guy at db it's gotten him less attention.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:20 am to GeauxldenGuy
The one guy he compares to favorably is Joe Haden. Skill Haden is slightly superior at this point before the draft. But, their measurables should play out to be very similar, remember Haden's combine and pro day numbers were not upper class for a cornerback.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:18 am to jtran1988
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He needs to kill that combine.
This is the key for him IMO. He goes out there and has an above average combine, or even an excellent one, and I think he can easily get into the mid to late first round conversation.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:20 am to WaterLink
No way he returns punts in the NFL. He gives too many heart attacks on return decisions.
Now that said I think Tre is going to have a tremendous combine and really boost his draft stock. He's got really loose hips and he's so fluid with great ball skills. Sure he got beat a couple times but White has played 90% of the snaps since the day he stepped on campus...that's going to result in getting beat at some point.
Bottom line is he's done a fantastic job in the SEC and is going to put up great numbers at the combine. The only issue is the deep DB class this year, but he will have a long and rich NFL career
Eta: don't discount his intangibles. The guy is smart, works hard, and is a great leader. Hes going to say all the right things in his interviews. And I know anyone who's coached or played with him will vouch for that which is going to mean something to GM's. Consider it the opposite of the Sam montgomery effect.
Now that said I think Tre is going to have a tremendous combine and really boost his draft stock. He's got really loose hips and he's so fluid with great ball skills. Sure he got beat a couple times but White has played 90% of the snaps since the day he stepped on campus...that's going to result in getting beat at some point.
Bottom line is he's done a fantastic job in the SEC and is going to put up great numbers at the combine. The only issue is the deep DB class this year, but he will have a long and rich NFL career
Eta: don't discount his intangibles. The guy is smart, works hard, and is a great leader. Hes going to say all the right things in his interviews. And I know anyone who's coached or played with him will vouch for that which is going to mean something to GM's. Consider it the opposite of the Sam montgomery effect.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 11:23 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:32 am to Tingle
Following your logic, Derek Carr shouldn't have been drafted in the 2nd round either.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:33 pm to Ragin' Tiger
Tre White - 1st Team All American.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:38 pm to KG5989
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He's had the lowest burn rates in CFB in 2014 and 2015.
What is this>
FTR, I was simply in awe at how well Tre played this year. Fantastic season; fantastic career.
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