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re: What punishment is fair for unfaithful electors
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:26 pm to BamaChemE
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:26 pm to BamaChemE
I'm assuming he got that position by some type of inside dealing with monied PTB. Find who they are, expose them and put public pressure on them. He'll change his tune soon enough.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:44 pm to BamaChemE
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FWIW, I would say the same thing about a Trump supporting elector refusing to vote for Clinton if she won the state he/she represents
This, as distasteful as it is yes
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:44 pm to bhtigerfan
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There's a bit of difference between saying, "I think the President Elect is a corrupt criminal and has jeopardized our national security", and "I think the President Elect is an a-hole."
See a difference?
I dont see a difference in either candidate not being qualified to lead this US. You pointed out HRC flaws which are valid but you leave out Trumps. And even if he had no personality flaws (which he does have many) he has no experience. You voted for someone to lead this great nation who hasnt proven the ability to run this country...period. In my book, you have to be qualified to get the job. Neither should be President...period. the simple fact that one is shows how far we have fallen in the process establishing leadership and direction in this country.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:47 pm to Sentrius
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Being banned for life from ever being an elector ever again seems fair to me.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:51 pm to DBest
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I dont see a difference in either candidate not being qualified to lead this US. You pointed out HRC flaws which are valid but you leave out Trumps. And even if he had no personality flaws (which he does have many) he has no experience. You voted for someone to lead this great nation who hasnt proven the ability to run this country...period. In my book, you have to be qualified to get the job
There are qualifications that are required to be met before you can run. If you don't like those work to have them changed but don't subvert the election process because you don't like the winning candidate.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:59 pm to Sentrius
Permanent blacklisting and banishment from the party will suffice.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:01 pm to Dr RC
Electors going against the will of the people of their state is going to set a terrible precedent. Even if just a few electors change their votes this time, it sets precedent for future elections. Maybe only a handful change their vote this time....but in future elections more electors may look back to 2016 and decide to go against their state's voters and could end up being enough to actually swing an election the other way.
Want to see Americans completely lose faith in government and election process...and mass rioting? Let someone seemingly win on election day by 30-40 electoral votes, only to lose it all a month later because 30 "electors" voted against who the voters of their state had chosen
Want to see Americans completely lose faith in government and election process...and mass rioting? Let someone seemingly win on election day by 30-40 electoral votes, only to lose it all a month later because 30 "electors" voted against who the voters of their state had chosen
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:11 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Electors going against the will of the people of their state is going to set a terrible precedent.
The precedent has been set over 100 times already.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:18 pm to bencoleman
quote:There have been a number of examples of faithless electors (157), most recently in 2004. Faithless Electors
Life in prison seems fair to me.
I don't like it, but most states do have laws against it, and even then the instances are rare.
What I find troubling is that you want to have draconian punishments after the fact. You can't argue for the EC, then advocate for punishment for people that are in some instances not going against any law in their state, and when then the punishments aren't draconian.
I'm just astounded by the selective choosing of election procedures here.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:23 pm to bencoleman
quote:Well this is part of the election process too, but there is a reason there had been only one instance of this actually impacting the election (1836).
but don't subvert the election process because you don't like the winning candidate.
In addition, the Supreme Court has ruled that binding electors is allowed so states can choose that option too. If they don't choose that then we must accept the process, flaws and all right?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:32 pm to buckeye_vol
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hoose that then we must accept the process, flaws and all right
Fine but ostracize them and brand them with a giant L on their foreheads.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:35 pm to bencoleman
quote:I'm all for ostracization.
Fine but ostracize them and brand them with a giant L on their foreheads.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:21 am to BranchDawg
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Do you really want that precedent set? You want your votes being meaningless because those frick's just do what they please?
It's already been set many times over for various reasons. LINK
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:44 am to bencoleman
The Georgia GOP elector who balked on whether to support Donald Trump has resigned, said Georgia GOP spokesman Ryan Mahoney.
When you find one of these turncoats one must squeeze their nuts with force!
When you find one of these turncoats one must squeeze their nuts with force!
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:18 am to bencoleman
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FWIW, I would say the same thing about a Trump supporting elector refusing to vote for Clinton if she won the state he/she represents
This, as distasteful as it is yes
There has been a lot of talk on this board on how the EC works. Google it or something and find out how it works.
Before the election both major parties select a slate of electors. Based on the popular vote in that state, either one party or the other sends its electors to vote in Washington on December 19. That is the way the election can be called on election night. When the electors from the DEMOCRATIC PARTY vote they will have 232 votes. Electors selected by the REPUBLICAN PARTY will, Lord willin' and creek don't rise, cast 302 votes, I think it is.
Geez.
IT IS NOT THE CASE THAT A SINGLE SET OF ELECTORS MUST VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE WHO CARRIED THE STATE.
"Michael McNeely... is one of 16 GOP electors under pressure to change their vote following Donald Trump’s surprise victory.
They are schoolteachers and high-powered lawyers, longtime party operatives and low-profile volunteers. And now Georgia’s 16 GOP electors have been thrust into the spotlight after Donald Trump’s stunning victory.
Petitions are circulating urging them to withhold their vote for the president-elect and back Hillary Clinton or another candidate instead. Leaflets handed out at anti-Trump protests include their names, addresses and contact information. Their phone lines and in-boxes are jammed with pleas to defy Trump.
Georgia’s 16 GOP electors are all but guaranteed to vote for Trump — each of the 14 reached by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution this week said they would support him — and their ranks are filled with the stalwart party activists who spend much of their free time fighting for Republican causes.
“I’m getting deluged,” said Michael McNeely, an elector who is also vice chairman of the Georgia GOP. “But for all the efforts of those sending those out, there’s no wavering at all. I’m fully supporting Donald Trump, and I’m not concerned any of us will flip.”
Still, it has fueled the pleas aimed at GOP electors from Clinton supporters and others urging them to be “faithless” and switch their vote. Georgia is one of about 20 states that doesn’t bind electors to the winner of the state’s vote, but there have been relatively few cases where that’s happened."
LINK
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:40 am to bencoleman
This guys name is known and I'm sure, his address and other personal information. What's coming to him in the form of harassment, deserved or not, will probably be greater than anything the law could administer.
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