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re: 96% of British Muslims don't believe Al Queda behind 9-11 attacks

Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:14 pm to
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:14 pm to
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But I believe Rosie's heart is in the right place. I also wonder why some people are so quick to jump on others simply for trying to find truth?

People get very angry when you don't follow along with the government/mainstream media's official story of 9-11.



People get angry because of how the conspiracy theory forms.
If someone were to tell you that Jesus was standing right behind you, would you get mad at them? No, you'd laugh at them and go about your business.

But that's not the response given involving 9-11. People get angry. Why?

IMO, it's because they know there's truth to it, and they don't want to have to accept and deal with it. They'd rather remain in their nice, safe little Pollyanna World and not have to think about the consequences.

To me, that's mental illness and I see a lot of it. This board is filled with it. Surprisingly not as much as previously, but still the vast majority.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, 9-11 will be just like JFK. As the years go by and people look at the event logically rather than emotionally they begin to see the hypocrisy of the official story.

Sadly, as with JFK, by the time the majority of people realize that the official story was indeed the outlandish conspiracy theory it's too late to do anything about it.

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we usually get "spokesmen" and "experts" who go into the scenario looking for a conspiracy to expose. They are starting at a preconceived conclusion and working backward to make evidence fit, doing just enough research to support their claim.
You've described perfectly the mainstream media.
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the answers can become so convoluted (even if true) that people either get too frustrated in trying to follow it or it sets off their bullshite detectors.

IMO this is the reason the establishment puts out ridiculous conspiracy theories.
Posted by Space Cowboy
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:28 pm to
Oh wow...another kook, they are climbing out the wall like cock roaches.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:57 pm to
There was nothing kooky he said, that's all just.. history. It's what happened.

Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:59 pm to
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I am talking about our government knowing about an attack yet allowing it to occur because the consequences of an attack increase your power and/or the bottom line of your biggest donors and supporters.


You'd have to believe that we have some truly evil MFers in charge on a large scale for that to happen. Now, MANY of them are crooked and will help themselves in many situations, but that would be on a whole other level.


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We spend how many hundreds of billions of dollars yearly on defense and security, but can't catch a plot by several dozen third-worlders?



No matter how much money is spent, people always become complacent and from time to time, terrorists will achieve what they set out to do. These types of terrorists go through with these kinds of actions on a daily basis where they're from. It's not like this is something our government is making up.
Posted by tigervet4
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:17 pm to
I find it funny that the muslim retards are aligned with the truther retards. Not funny really, but inevitable.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:21 pm to
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I also wonder why some people are so quick to jump on others simply for trying to find truth?
People get very angry when you don't follow along with the government/mainstream media's official story of 9-11.


Because when people like Rosie (or Charlie Sheen) say these things, they are making some awful accusations. And they are usually vague accusations with no real names involved so they just blanket everyone and say "the government" which covers a lot of people.

Also, people like Rosie become geniuses all of a sudden and know exactly what should happen when a 767 filled with fuel goes crashing into a building the size of the World Trade Tower. Now, if she or someone else can pull all the examples of other 767s or large planes flying into extremely tall buildings like the WTC at a high rate of speed and show us what normally happens, then I'd say that maybe there is more to this if it's different than what happened. But let's see, how many times has this kind of thing happened with planes that big and buildings that tall?
Posted by MrCarton
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:33 pm to
I get tired of hearing about the airplane theories. It's like nobody is paying attention to the real news about 9-11, which was released in the previously redacted 28 pages in the 9-11 report. As widely panned as that investigation was, there were some facts noted in the report. Among them are these tidbits:


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Saudi Prince Bandar—the ambassador to the United States—made payments to an avowed supporter of Osama bin Laden who boasted of helping two Flight 77 hijackers in San Diego.

An unlisted phone number linked closely to Bandar was found in the phone book of al Qaeda associate Abu Zubaydah in Pakistan. Zubaydah also had a phone number for a bodyguard at the Saudi embassy in Washington who was under an FBI investigation prompted by his suspicious behavior in approaching U.S. intelligence community personnel.


Members of the USG are moving to ensure that Saudi is protected from 9-11 lawsuits:

Oh look! John Kerry!

There is still more information to come, maybe. If people would actually give a shite about this information it might actually come out. Instead we are talking about steel beams and jet fuel.



More info still not published.


Here are the 28 pages

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Saleh al-Hussayen. In September 2001, Saleh al-Hussayen, reportedly a Saudi Interior Ministry official, stayed at the same hotel in Herndon, Virginia where al-Hazmi was staying. While al-Hussayen claimed after September 11 not to know the hijackers, FBI agents believed he was being deceptive. He was able to depart the United States despite FBI efforts to locate and re-interview him; and Abdullah Bin Laden. Abdullah Bin Ladin claims to work for the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C. as an administrative officer. He is identified by the FBI as Usame Bin Ladin’s half brother. He is a close friend of Mohammed Quadir-Harunani, a possible associate of Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi prior to September 11, 2001.


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The CIA and FBI have identified the Ibn Tamiyah Mosque in Culver City as a site of extremist-related activity. Several subjects of FBI investigations prior to September 11 had close connections to the mosque and are believed to have laundered money through this mosque to non-profit organizations overseas affiliated with Usama Bin Ladin. In an interview, an FBI agent said he believed that Saudi Government money was being laundered through the mosque; Another Saudi national with close ties to the Saudi Royal Family, ———-, is the subject of FBI counterterrorism investigations and reportedly was checking security at the United States’ southwest border in 1999 and discussing the possibility of infiltrating individuals into the United States; According to FBI documents, several of the phone numbers found in the phone book of Abu Zubaida, a senior al-Qa’ida operative captured in Pakistan in March 2002, could be linked, at least indirectly, to telephone numbers in the United States. One of those U.S. numbers is subscribed to by the ASPCOL Corporation, which is located in Aspen,


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The U.S. and Saudi governments say that the 9/11 Commission, which came after the joint inquiry that produced the 28 pages, “found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization.” Did the commission render the 28 pages obsolete?

No. There are many indications that the 9/11 Commission did not thoroughly investigate leads pointing toward Saudi Arabia, and commission member Bob Kerrey said, “Evidence relating to the plausible involvement of possible Saudi government agents in the September 11th attacks has never been fully pursued.”


Bottom line:

The evidence that points to the involvement of the Saudi Government in the 9-11 attacks opens a lot of possibilities as to the true nature of the attack. Arguing about fricking planes and jet fuel is a massive distraction from what looks to be pretty interesting information, that was so important that it was redacted so the public could not see it. There are still many names and pieces of information redacted from that report. I want to know why.

I've always maintained that most of the official story is probably accurate enough. What it is not, however, is even close to the full story. I think that fact has been virtually admitted by the US governments redaction of the 28 pages and continued attempts to keep certain names and connections redacted.

There will be a lot that we learn about this attack in the future. I think everyone would be quite wise to keep their eyes and their minds open.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 10:36 pm
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:39 pm to
To be clear, I absolutely believe the Saudis were involved in 9/11. There's no doubt in my mind.

I'm just not gonna buy the jet fuel, steel beams, magma, Jews tinfoil theories.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:47 pm to
Yeah, the Saudis have tons of money and agendas. Their involvement would not be a shock at all. Info. may be redacted because it might make certain parties look bad and people or governments sometimes have strange bedfellows that sometimes don't work out in their favor.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 11:01 pm
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:52 pm to
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I'm just not gonna buy the jet fuel, steel beams, magma, Jews tinfoil theories.




Yeah I don't blame you. There is no evidence for that stuff. It's stupid to say "well the government would never..." because the government has done all kinds of fricked up shite, but it's pointless to theorize on shite without any evidence at all.

Now the Saudi angle? That needs to be pursued, but nobody is really doing it at all. The redacted 28 pages pretty clearly show that they had involvement in conducting tradecraft with the hijackers, and that the Saudi Amb. to the US was indirectly connected with hijackers through money and cell phones.


There was also a pilots license from the "20th" hijacker found in the KSA embassy in DC. He was captured by the USG and is in jail currently.


there are members of the US government who are connected very closely with the Saudi officials and royalty involved in this case, and that needs to be pursued as well.




I'm not about conspiracy theories, but this isn't some Comet Ping Pong bullshite. This is a series of separate government agencies reporting information that they had from the late 90s through the attacks. It needs to be looked at.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 11:01 pm
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:53 pm to
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Yeah, the Saudis have tons of money and agendas. Their involvement would not be shock at all. Info. may be redacted because it might make certain parties look bad and people or governments sometimes have strange bedfellows that sometimes don't work out in their favor.





Yeah of course. The problem is that we don't know why the information was redacted, and some of the information is still redacted. Why is there no committee looking at this information right now?


Why did we invade Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban, who had nothing to do with 9-11, instead of following up on information that we had about the events leading up to the hijacking?

I just want everyone here to understand: We have bombed people with far less proof of their identities or their guilt than what we have on the Saudis involved in this case.


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(Commission member and former Secretary of the Navy John) Lehman was struck by the determination of the Bush White House to try to hide any evidence of the relationship between the Saudis and al Qaeda. “They were refusing to declassify anything having to do with Saudi Arabia,” Lehman said. “Anything having to do with the Saudis, for some reason, it had this very special sensitivity.” He raised the Saudi issue repeatedly with Andy Card. “I used to go over to see Andy, and I met with Rumsfeld three or four times, mainly to say, ‘What are you guys doing? This stonewalling is so counterproductive.”
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 11:05 pm
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:03 pm to
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They also think that ISIS was created by the US government




This is how I know that you are stupid.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:20 pm to
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Dude, it's all just coincidence that Hussein, Ghaddafi, Assad and others in the region were proceeding with the Oil Bourse that threatened our entire monetary system, and those central banks were the only ones left on the planet that weren't brought into control of the international banking cabal.

These are all mere coincidences




This is the first post of yours that I can finally upvote.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:26 pm to
The United States government as much as admitted Saudi involvement by blocking lawsuits against them.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:43 pm to
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Arguing about fricking planes and jet fuel is a massive distraction
THIS!!!

For 16 years the establishment has tried to keep the focus on this.

It has distracted the populace from delving into the real questions, like who benefits.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:46 pm to
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I also wonder why some people are so quick to jump on others simply for trying to find truth?
People get very angry when you don't follow along with the government/mainstream media's official story of 9-11.



Because when people like Rosie (or Charlie Sheen) say these things, they are making some awful accusations.
Agreed. But you still haven't explained why you're mad about it.
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