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re: San Junipero - is it Elysium or Gehenna? (SPOILERS)
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:23 am to Salmon
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:23 am to Salmon
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it might be your Hell, but it might be Heaven for others
Once again, San Junipero cannot be Heaven for ANYONE as long as tourists experience human emotions and have access to past memories - which all tourists in San Junipero do.
You so want to believe this is a positive episode you're actually ignoring the philosophical dilemma...
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 9:27 am
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:27 am to mizzoukills
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Once again, it cannot be a Heaven for anyone as long as they experience human emotion and have access to past memories
says who?
you?
quote:
You so want to believe this is a positive episode you're actually ignoring the philosophical dilemma...
I understand the dilemma, especially from Kelly's side
Yorkie's choice was easy. She never really lived. San Junipero gave her a chance to live.
Kelly was grieving and felt that it was unfair that her daughter never got the chance at extra life. Her husband chose not to go to SJ for the chance that there was another afterlife and he could be with their daughter. Kelly knew that there wasn't another afterlife. But she felt guilty for being able to live happily without her husband and daughter. She finally let go of that guilt.
You are relying on a few false premises:
1) That Kelly actually had faith
2) That San Junipero was a prison and you couldn't leave
3) That your strict definition of Heaven is the only Heaven
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 9:32 am
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:28 am to mizzoukills
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Once again, it cannot be a Heaven for anyone as long as they experience human emotion and have access to past memories - which all tourists in San Junipero do.
You claim that hell isn't torture, wailing, gnashing of teeth but instead just a place to remember your regrets, but then you dismiss it as heaven becuase it doesn't fit your idea of what it should be?
Of course SJ isn't "heaven", the viewer can plainly and with 100% certainty see exactly what SJ is...it's a place to upload your consciousness for eternity. That isn't heaven or hell, it's just a computer simulation.
But if forced to pick between the 2 it would be far more heaven-like than hell, where there is absolutely ZERO happiness or joy at all for eternity.
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