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re: Let's think critically about illegal immigration...
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:04 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:04 pm to ballscaster
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Another rainbow coward I see. Not surprised. Find your safe space!
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:05 pm to Dale51
quote:It may be worth it, but I don't want to implement it without some more analysis.
How so? So what if it raises the cost a bit?
quote:Again. Violent criminals aside, what exactly are we plagued by? If we were to magically get rid of every illegal immigrant, what are going to the be the broad effects, especially in our daily experiences?
The benefits of not having your country plagued by criminal aliens should be worth something, don't you agree?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:06 pm to DupontsCircle
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I say apply Geneva Convention rules to all illegals coming over the border. Surrender or be shot as foreign invaders.
I think you may have meant this as a joke, but the reality is that is exactly what is happening to the United States and Europe. The end result is no different. The peoples of Mexico and Central America will eventually take over the United States, the peoples of northern Africa and the Middle East will take over Europe. Languages, customs, culture, philosophy, religion and government will all change to reflect those of the 'new' residents (and eventually citizens).
This is not being xenophobic, this is recognizing reality. We can do something about it, or accept it, but let's not pretend that is not exactly what is happening.
cheers!
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:07 pm to DupontsCircle
I will keep my sanctuary city full of "illegals" over the likes of you sir. I prefer happy, kind, decent hardworking folk as opposed to angry, hateful, miserable people.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:08 pm to buckeye_vol
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It may be worth it, but I don't want to implement it without some more analysis.
Waaaait a minute...you work for the government?
jk/
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:08 pm to LSUfan20005
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Ya'll are looking more and more like Fascists every day!
And Mexicans are looking like old school European imperialists taking over and looting other lands
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:10 pm to jennBN
Oh wow. Sounds like a "feeler". You're more than welcome to go visit them over there and improve their lives with your nursing.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:11 pm to buckeye_vol
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Violent criminals aside, what exactly are we plagued by? If we were to magically get rid of every illegal immigrant, what are going to the be the broad effects, especially in our daily experiences?
Ummmmm...all the other nonviolent criminals..and related costs associated with them. All the goods and services that a legal citizen needs, they also need.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:13 pm to jennBN
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I prefer happy, kind, decent hardworking folk as opposed to angry, hateful, miserable people.
Strawman fallacy.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:14 pm to DupontsCircle
I take care of them everyday. They are appreciative, well mannered, and far more pleasant to deal with. I am not saying immigration doesn't need major overhauls....I am saying that being filled with anger and hate makes you and everyone around you unhappy.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:16 pm to jennBN
This is why women can't be president. The feels.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:17 pm to Dale51
quote:So the likely increase in labor costs would be offset by the decrease in demand?
All the goods and services that a legal citizen needs, they also need.
Fine. But what is the salient benefit of this that can make those of us who are more apathetic and skeptical of these proposed solutions, more passionate about them?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:17 pm to jennBN
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I am saying that being filled with anger and hate makes you and everyone around you unhappy.
How would you describe the Mexican flag waving protestors and their comments directed towards anyone who questions their legal status?
Just curious.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:19 pm to DupontsCircle
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I will compromise with you. All immigrants must speak fluent English and they can stay.
Rather than requiring that they speak English, I have no problem with charging them a "surtax" on top of what they would pay normally. They should be taxed for Social Security but ineligible to receive it. Maybe it can offset some of our lessening solvency. Then their income tax rates can be a certain percentage higher.
A wall is simply symbolic. It won't work. We need to legislate them out.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:23 pm to buckeye_vol
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More generally (not exclusive to the wall), do we really want more "hardware?"
Think of it as military hardware because that is part of its purpose
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But I need to know that it will have this effect, especially given the costs, to support it.
Again you're focusing too much on costs. Place more of your critical thinking toward monetary benefit and safety.
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I have hard time justifying something because of vague psychological effects, that may not occur, and are unlikely to be broadly internalized.
Well here are a few psych examples to consider. The illegals are protesting everyday in multiple cities because they don't want to give up what they have not rightfully earned. That's a direct "psychological" result of leftist building a voting base and the resulting entitlement illegals feel. This in turn pisses off and puts fear into at least majority of Americans. That's at least two direct psychologicals. My opinion is the most substantial psych benefit is the restoration of confidence in true Americans that our government is doing its job of protecting and enforcing the laws of our country. The wall would at a minimum, be a concrete example of this.
These same scoundrels are adding dollars to the benefit side of the equation supporting a wall every day.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:26 pm to Kraut Dawg
quote:There was a good Freakonomics podcast on immigration. One economist's solution was to make a more efficent path to citizenship with larger financial cost that must be paid off to be granted citizenship.
Rather than requiring that they speak English, I have no problem with charging them a "surtax" on top of what they would pay normally. They should be taxed for Social Security but ineligible to receive it. Maybe it can offset some of our lessening solvency. Then their income tax rates can be a certain percentage higher.
A wall is simply symbolic. It won't work. We need to legislate them out.
I personally liked the idea. The process is inefficient, but if we can make it more efficient, with a clear financial cost, and find people somebody is willing to work for it, then they probably are good candidates for citizenship.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:26 pm to Kraut Dawg
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A wall is simply symbolic. It won't work. We need to legislate them out.
Both are needed, but what is needed most is the will to do it. As far as legislation goes, it would have to be directed at employers. There already IS "legislation" directed at the aliens...its just not enforced with the will to succeed.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:31 pm to buckeye_vol
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So the likely increase in labor costs would be offset by the decrease in demand? Fine. But what is the salient benefit of this that can make those of us who are more apathetic and skeptical of these proposed solutions, more passionate about them?
Actually, I was referring to all the cost of the nonviolent crime (since you drew the line at violent criminals). THAT and the offset costs of healthcare/social services/education costs, etc, etc.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:31 pm to DupontsCircle
#sendthemallback
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:34 pm to Dale51
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As far as legislation goes, it would have to be directed at employers. There already IS "legislation" directed at the aliens...its just not enforced with the will to succeed.
As an employer, and this is for those who may not know, illegals get Social Security numbers & other forms of ID that satisfies the requirements of an I-9. It's not my job to be in the documentation verification business.
It takes the gov't about a year to notify the illegal that they need to verify their personal info. The worker then disappears, gets new documentation, then goes to the next employer with the new info.
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