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re: 5th Grade Social Studies: Abraham Lincoln
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:22 pm to TheFolker
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:22 pm to TheFolker
Jefferson is the original democrat. His view for a democratic America was destroyed by the industrial revolution and the decline of agrarianism. Without owning your own farm, you can't truly be self-reliant.
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:23 pm to NC_Tigah
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quote:
EDIT: STOP applying past issues to the contemporary.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE TEACHER DID!
THAT IS THE POINT!
Exactly! And his did happen and I'm not gonna go raise hell because I like his teachers and don't think they mean any harm. In fact I'd bet his teacher MAGA'd. I took a few issues (not the ones I listed earlier) and showed him how none of that even existed then so such a statement as what his teacher made, or atleast how he took it, was absurd. He seems to understand. I'm not one to lie about these things, they come up occasionally and a simple "your teacher is wrong" usually suffices. I don't encourage My kids to even discuss politics as I told them "go be a kid, all that crap your friends talk about is straight from their parents mouths".
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:24 pm to LSUneaux
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Yikes. First time I am seeing that quote from Lincoln. But yes he didn't care about black people. He was adamant about preserving the Union as one country.
There's other quotes from him like this too. That particular quote took place in the debates between him and Douglas in 1858.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:25 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:She was WRONG to do so, and she should NOT have done so with fifth graders who can't think. I completely agree with that.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE TEACHER DID!
THAT IS THE POINT!
But would Lincoln be a democrat today? Possibly of the establishment variety.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:27 pm to bayoubengals88
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quote: But you did. Words have meaning. Can you dispute what I wrote? No, you cannot. Bourbon segregationists/Jim Crow Democrats of the 1870s and 80s WOULD 100% be Republicans today. That doesn't not mean they would be pro segregation right now. It's called an anachronism. Holy shite.
I'd say they'd have their own party, you know since Republicans don't support segregation and voted overwhelmingly for civil rights
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:28 pm to LSUneaux
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Yikes. First time I am seeing that quote from Lincoln.
don`t feel bad most people haven`t, file that under the ole winners write the history file
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:48 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:Would he be Paul Ryan or would he be Harry Reid?
But would Lincoln be a democrat today?
I'd guess the answer is "Who knows?"
This teacher certainly doesn't.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:55 pm to NC_Tigah
Probably neither. Lincoln was no free trader, he was a protectionist that supported very high tarrifs. Lincoln would not be considered a globalist today, Paul Ryan might be.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:56 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Agreed. I was only asserting that I believe we can be fairly confident of the opposite based on history. Southern democrats from 1877 to 1948 represent the republican party today. For those not alive, their sons and daughters do.
Would he be Paul Ryan or would he be Harry Reid?
I'd guess the answer is "Who knows?"
This teacher certainly doesn't.
That doesn't have anything to do with segregation, something our OP just can't figure out.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:59 pm to bayoubengals88
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I know one thing. Segregationist Democrats back then are today's Republicans, and that's indisputable.
No, you are a liar
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:00 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:This just tells me you don't "get" what I'm saying.
I'd say they'd have their own party, you know since Republicans don't support segregation and voted overwhelmingly for civil rights
Segregation and Civil Rights are not an issue. The old segregationist Dems would be Republicans today based on the same reason they favored segregation (small federal government and states' rights).
Now that's not the only reason they favored segregation...many were of course "racists." I place quotes around racists because I do not believe it's fair to call someone who lived in the south in the 1870s a racist.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:01 pm to bayoubengals88
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quote: Would he be Paul Ryan or would he be Harry Reid? I'd guess the answer is "Who knows?" This teacher certainly doesn't. Agreed. I was only asserting that I believe we can be fairly confident of the opposite based on history. Southern democrats from 1877 to 1948 represent the republican party today. For those not alive, their sons and daughters do. That doesn't have anything to do with segregation, something our OP just can't figure out.
What in the hell do southern democrats living after Lincoln have to do with this teachers statements as perceived by my son? Republicans and democrats flip flop on issues all the time..that doesn't make her statement any more accurate or yours for that matter
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:02 pm to Dawgfanman
I hate when you people judge hardworking teachers, most of you wouldn't last one day as a teacher, much less pass the praxis
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:04 pm to gthog61
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No, you are a liar
I challenge every current Republican who lives in the South to go back one generation. Eighty percent chance your dad was a democrat.
Go back two generations. 95% chance your grandfather was a democrat.
Southern Democrats ARE today's Republicans. Just because they believed in segregation doesn't make them evil, but it certainly doesn't make what I said a lie. You're either stupid, proud, or quite possible both.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:05 pm to bayoubengals88
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quote: I'd say they'd have their own party, you know since Republicans don't support segregation and voted overwhelmingly for civil rights This just tells me you don't "get" what I'm saying. Segregation and Civil Rights are not an issue. The old segregationist Dems would be Republicans today based on the same reason they favored segregation (small federal government and states' rights). Now that's not the only reason they favored segregation...many were of course "racists." I place quotes around racists because I do not believe it's fair to call someone who lived in the south in the 1870s a racist.
Not all republicans are for states rights or small govt. We have a "uniparty" now. There is no way to know what party Lincoln would be in today..that's why her statement is pointless. Perhaps his belief in God or simply decency would have kept him away from the godless, heaten filled Democratic Party..
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:06 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:First, calm down. Your son needs to hear opposing ideologies, however, it's too early for his teacher to say what she did.
What in the hell do southern democrats living after Lincoln have to do with this teachers statements as perceived by my son?
To answer your question, the voters that comprise the parties have largely switched places.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:06 pm to el Gaucho
Sounds like a bunch of republicans ashamed of where the party evolved from.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:07 pm to bayoubengals88
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Segregationist Democrats back then are today's Republican
What are you basing that claim on?
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:08 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:You don't think I know this? Pretend its 2004 before both parties went further to their extremities. Lots has changed (especially among dems in the last 10 years).
Not all republicans are for states rights or small govt. We have a "uniparty" now. There is no way to know what party Lincoln would be in today..that's why her statement is pointless. Perhaps his belief in God or simply decency would have kept him away from the godless, heaten filled Democratic Party..
Posted on 11/14/16 at 6:08 pm to Dale51
quote:Just read please. I've got history papers to grade.
What are you basing that claim on?
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