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Here's my theory on Les
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:40 am
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:40 am
It wasn't Saban's players Les won with; it was his culture. Saban built a culture of extreme discipline. Players were conditioned to "do their job." That culture didn't disappear with the last of the Saban players. It was passed down by the players and was gradually attenuated until there is none left.
Les hit a mother load of talent in 2009, and got a spike in performance out of that, including the 2011 undefeated SEC championship. Other than that, play gradually deteriorated under Miles due to poor discipline.
All the talk about spreading the field and "modern offenses" was mis-directed. The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
Miles did enough things well to be a good coach. But his inability to build in discipline prevented him from being great. And at today's LSU only greatness is acceptable.
I was, and am, a Miles fan, but it was time. His weaknesses were only getting worse with age.
Les hit a mother load of talent in 2009, and got a spike in performance out of that, including the 2011 undefeated SEC championship. Other than that, play gradually deteriorated under Miles due to poor discipline.
All the talk about spreading the field and "modern offenses" was mis-directed. The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
Miles did enough things well to be a good coach. But his inability to build in discipline prevented him from being great. And at today's LSU only greatness is acceptable.
I was, and am, a Miles fan, but it was time. His weaknesses were only getting worse with age.
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:43 am to Penrod
Ok.
Whatever it was is over, and has been for almost a week now. Let it go and move on.
Whatever it was is over, and has been for almost a week now. Let it go and move on.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:45 am to Penrod
I like the "process". At LSU we didn't have one.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:45 am to Penrod
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Here's my theory on Les by Penrod
was still coaching the same tactics that Bo coached when he played. hence the "big cat" drill.
now.........all of a sudden.......we have a coach that will put the players in a film room and a meeting room and get them to learn the "little" things that they need to learn in order to win games that they are supposed to win.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:54 am to Penrod
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Other than that, play gradually deteriorated under Miles due to poor discipline.
Didn't seem to affect the defense though.
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All the talk about spreading the field and "modern offenses" was mis-directed. The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
But it is different from Bama's. The offense esp as run under Jennings and Harris was not functional. With Etling the offense sporadically looked like a functional unit but still wasn't consistent. I mean, "execution" is not done in a vacuum. Players can't execute when the defense knows what's coming.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:57 am to Penrod
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The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
You had me until this point.
Les had a serial inability to get the ball into the hands of his playmakers and he lost faith in the passing game completely.
But spot on with the discipline comments.
If we eliminated 20% of the false start penalties and simply utilized the slant route and our TE's Les is probably still here with another title to his credit.
It was beyond time for him to go.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:03 am to Penrod
Maybe you should listen the ex QB McElroy explain how Saban and Kiffen changed the offence to fit each QB's strength before you make your assertions.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:09 am to Penrod
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All the talk about spreading the field and "modern offenses" was mis-directed. The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
I agree but with on caveat. Les got so predictable it became impossible to execute.
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I was, and am, a Miles fan, but it was time. His weaknesses were only getting worse with age.
This. He lost me last season when I saw he squandered the entire season up to the Bama game and never developed a passing game. What made it worse was his vague press briefings and speeches became irritating when we lost games.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:37 am to Penrod
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The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
Stopped reading there. So wrong. Barely anyone in college or even the NFL still runs a scheme as old school and outdated as Cam and Les did. The two back, single tight end, two receiver set is used a shockingly small amount of time by anyone anymore for a reason.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:10 am to Penrod
Please stop with all this Les and Saban stuff. The change has been made, Les is gone, now look forward. The future of the LSU football program has now been changed to take a new direction. Why is anyone interested in looking back?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:18 am to Penrod
Eh les let recruiting slip After pelini left and chavis was coaching the defense. We saw a drop in talent on the DL and we couldn't recruit OL. Saban doesn't do anything crazy. They just whip your arse on the line of scrimmage. You may hang for a half but not a full game against those beasts up front that they keep rotating in.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:25 am to Penrod
quote:Saban's God-like qualities astound me. A mere touch of his hand lasts a decade and extends to players he never recruited or coached. Sadly his God-like touch diminishes as it is passed on.
It wasn't Saban's players Les won with; it was his culture. Saban built a culture of extreme discipline. Players were conditioned to "do their job." That culture didn't disappear with the last of the Saban players. It was passed down by the players and was gradually attenuated until there is none left.
My theory? Les Miles had a great career as the head coach of my LSU Tigers. there really is no other word for it than great. He achieved levels of success here that have never been achieved before and we've been playing football on the bayou for more than a century. He was a great coach for us and a great ambassador for the school. Imperfect - but still great. To attribute his success to a combination of luck and Saban's omnipotent God-like powers over total strangers is fricking bullshite.
quote:I agree with this.
I was, and am, a Miles fan, but it was time. His weaknesses were only getting worse with age.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:18 am to Penrod
I agree totally. It was a lack of discipline. Not a lack of scheme.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:38 am to Penrod
He was tactical in approach, in everything, and he couldn't or wouldn't approach his position as strategic. To some extent I believe he moved to a siege mentality, locked others out, and he doomed himself.
I, for one, am glad he was dismissed and should have been done sooner
I, for one, am glad he was dismissed and should have been done sooner
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