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re: Deion Jones: NFL defensive rookie of the month

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Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:30 am to
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I'm not talking to you bitch



my bad, doesn't change the fact that Cooks > Landry
Posted by deNYEd
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:31 am to
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Cooks > Landry

in what universe? bc he is faster? Cooks is soft as baby shite
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:34 am to
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in what universe?


This one

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bc he is faster?


Well having the ability to stretch the defense vertically is certainly important in a well rounder WR.

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Cooks is soft as baby shite



Solid analysis.
Posted by deNYEd
Houston
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:37 am to
I refuse to break it down because at this point if you still think Cooks>Jarvis you are a lost cause and obviously do not watch much football.

If Cooks didn't play for the Saints he would be completely irrelevant and you may not know who hes is
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 10:40 am
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:42 am to


Jarvis is a great possession receiver. Would be a good #2 on any team. Cooks has separated to beyond that.

If you think Jarvis > Cooks or that Landry has near the same potential, I can't help you.
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:44 am to
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I refuse to break it down because at this point if you still think Cooks>Jarvis you are a lost cause and obviously do not watch much football.

If Cooks didn't play for the Saints he would be completely irrelevant and you may not know who hes is




Landry is a great player but he is basically just a glorified RB.. He is too slow to make plays down the field so all of his touches are just extended handoffs. His average depth of target in 2015: 7.4 yards. Almost last for WRs (115th). Dude has great hands but he doesn't have nearly the explosive play potential that Cooks does.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:46 am to
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If Cooks didn't play for the Saints he would be completely irrelevant and you may not know who hes is





See, this just shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

Jarvis plays in an offense that targets him heavily. Brees doesn't target anyone heavily and spreads the ball around. That will always be the case here.

Going into the Falcons game, Brees had a perfect passer rating when targeting Cooks. He's completely separated himself since the midway point last year
Posted by deNYEd
Houston
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:46 am to
LINK
How many pro bowls has cooks been to?
How many nfl record does he have?
If jarvis had Drew Brees this conversation would never even occur
Posted by deNYEd
Houston
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:47 am to
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Jarvis plays in an offense that targets him heavily.

You mean because he is head and shoulders their best player and the biggest playmaker on field?
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:48 am to
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How many pro bowls has cooks been to?





And this is when you know someone doesn't have a fricking clue
Posted by deNYEd
Houston
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:48 am to
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Landry is a great player but he is basically just a glorified RB.. He is too slow to make plays down the field so all of his touches are just extended handoffs. His average depth of target in 2015: 7.4 yards. Almost last for WRs (115th).

entirely a product of his offense and inconsistent qb play along with coordinators whom have zero faith in tannehil
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:50 am to
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You mean because he is head and shoulders their best player and the biggest playmaker on field?



Their biggest playmaker has 1 TD in 44 targets?

He's catching everything near the LoS for his career. He's a possession receiver, and a great one at that.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:51 am to
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entirely a product of his offense and inconsistent qb play along with coordinators whom have zero faith in tannehil



So why do other players in Miami not have the issue?

You honestly think that Landry has the vertical threat ability, but they are just ignoring that in his route tree?
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 10:52 am
Posted by deNYEd
Houston
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:51 am to
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Their biggest playmaker has 1 TD in 44 targets?

He's catching everything near the LoS for his career. He's a possession receiver, and a great one at that.


once again obviously have not watched a Miami game
Posted by deNYEd
Houston
Member since Jul 2007
9689 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:54 am to
You are right. He is their punt returner (all pro) bc he has little ball skills and slow as molasses
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:54 am to
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once again obviously have not watched a Miami game



K

He finished 8th on his team in yards/reception last year btw. 110 receptions for 4 TDs

Cooks scored 5x in the month of November
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 10:56 am
Posted by deNYEd
Houston
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:55 am to
Ok, should take a gander how many of those came on 3rd down and moved the chains.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:56 am to
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Cooks is soft as baby shite


This made me laugh after last night. I don't think either are soft, but Landry did drop an easy 4th down conversion last night that the team desperately needed because he tried to body the ball and looked back for the contact.
Posted by deNYEd
Houston
Member since Jul 2007
9689 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:57 am to
Yes even landry can drop the ball. I know you don't want to do a hands comparison. Who would you rather going across the middle on 3rd down for you? Lucky if Cooks doesn't alligator arm.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 11:00 am
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:58 am to
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Is good-to-great in pass coverage, given that he's a rookie


This is the only reason I would consider wanting him over Thomas. Thomas has been good when called upon and could eventually turn into a really good to great WR for the team. However, we have struggled for years to find a LBer that is even decent in pass coverage. Part of the reason our DBs are shutting down elite WRs is because the QBs are able to hit RBs & TEs wide open in the flat bc the LBers are nowhere near the play.
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