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T-Bob: LSU was terrible at Lambeau, but how will they respond?
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:50 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:50 am
LINK T-Bob Herbert assessment
just some cliff notes---
The Offense was Terrible, and Everyone Deserves Blame, not just Brandon Harris:
Still, Harris does not bear the burden of blame alone, as every single position group in this offense contributed their own special ingredients to the rotten gumbo that was LSU’s offense Saturday. The Wide Receivers did not catch the ball well. A lot has been made of Harris’ inaccuracies and some were worse than others, but I counted at least 4 drops on catchable balls that could have drastically altered the outcome of this game. I’m not saying the catches are easy, but if Malachi Dupre wants to be considered amongst the best WRs in the country, these are the plays you have to make. Tall receivers make their living high pointing balls and coming down with receptions. Much ado was made about the height of this WR group and they failed to take advantage of that height on Saturday
Coach Miles Should Definitely NOT be Fired:
LSU was embarrassed last season on a national stage when they had very public private talks with another head coach behind their current head coach’s back. What appeared to be the end of the Miles era ended up as the Mad Hatter’s greatest escape yet. By the end of the debacle, forgotten were the struggles of November. Fans' anger was replaced with sympathy as their most successful head coach in school history was hung out to dry by his bosses in the most public of forums. Coach Miles became a sympathetic figure. From villain to victim. In the end, Coach Miles retained his job and established dominance over Joe Alleva and his higher ups. This is the first reason why Coach Miles should definitely NOT be released, the fact that LSU does not want to be embarrassed once again on that national stage.
Dave Aranda and the Defense Lived Up to the Hype (Also Tre White is a Monster)
Although I’ve heard many people say they were unimpressed with LSU’s defensive play I have to imagine such statements are borne of emotion and frustration. Objectively speaking this defense was great. The Tigers held Wisconsin to just 339 yards and 16 points despite the fact that the Badgers ran a full 50% more plays than did LSU. In then end, the defense forced 4 turnovers (two ints, one fumble, turnover on downs), only gave up one touchdown, and scored 7 of the Tigers 14 points. If at times it felt as if they were struggling it is because they are only human. This defense was on the field for 23 minutes in the first half alone. 23 MINUTES!!! That number represents kryptonite to even the most talented of defenses. Eventually the laws of nature dictate that you tire out and start to get pushed around, however this never really happened to this Tiger defense. They remained strong throughout the night. Bending but not breaking.
When its all said and done, the Badgers only produced 6.6 yards per pass, 3.2 yards per rush, and were just 3/15 on third down. That is winning defensive football. Special shoutout to Tre White. He proved once again why he was given the hallowed number 18. He was dominant both on the outside and when he shifted inside to nickel. If you would have told me Friday that White would have a pick six I would have bet everything I had on LSU winning (Its a good thing you didn’t tell me).
just some cliff notes---
The Offense was Terrible, and Everyone Deserves Blame, not just Brandon Harris:
Still, Harris does not bear the burden of blame alone, as every single position group in this offense contributed their own special ingredients to the rotten gumbo that was LSU’s offense Saturday. The Wide Receivers did not catch the ball well. A lot has been made of Harris’ inaccuracies and some were worse than others, but I counted at least 4 drops on catchable balls that could have drastically altered the outcome of this game. I’m not saying the catches are easy, but if Malachi Dupre wants to be considered amongst the best WRs in the country, these are the plays you have to make. Tall receivers make their living high pointing balls and coming down with receptions. Much ado was made about the height of this WR group and they failed to take advantage of that height on Saturday
Coach Miles Should Definitely NOT be Fired:
LSU was embarrassed last season on a national stage when they had very public private talks with another head coach behind their current head coach’s back. What appeared to be the end of the Miles era ended up as the Mad Hatter’s greatest escape yet. By the end of the debacle, forgotten were the struggles of November. Fans' anger was replaced with sympathy as their most successful head coach in school history was hung out to dry by his bosses in the most public of forums. Coach Miles became a sympathetic figure. From villain to victim. In the end, Coach Miles retained his job and established dominance over Joe Alleva and his higher ups. This is the first reason why Coach Miles should definitely NOT be released, the fact that LSU does not want to be embarrassed once again on that national stage.
Dave Aranda and the Defense Lived Up to the Hype (Also Tre White is a Monster)
Although I’ve heard many people say they were unimpressed with LSU’s defensive play I have to imagine such statements are borne of emotion and frustration. Objectively speaking this defense was great. The Tigers held Wisconsin to just 339 yards and 16 points despite the fact that the Badgers ran a full 50% more plays than did LSU. In then end, the defense forced 4 turnovers (two ints, one fumble, turnover on downs), only gave up one touchdown, and scored 7 of the Tigers 14 points. If at times it felt as if they were struggling it is because they are only human. This defense was on the field for 23 minutes in the first half alone. 23 MINUTES!!! That number represents kryptonite to even the most talented of defenses. Eventually the laws of nature dictate that you tire out and start to get pushed around, however this never really happened to this Tiger defense. They remained strong throughout the night. Bending but not breaking.
When its all said and done, the Badgers only produced 6.6 yards per pass, 3.2 yards per rush, and were just 3/15 on third down. That is winning defensive football. Special shoutout to Tre White. He proved once again why he was given the hallowed number 18. He was dominant both on the outside and when he shifted inside to nickel. If you would have told me Friday that White would have a pick six I would have bet everything I had on LSU winning (Its a good thing you didn’t tell me).
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:50 am to Makavellimw
quote:
The Offense was Terrible, and Everyone Deserves Blame, not just Brandon Harris:
I remember when the entire offense threw that interception to end the game. They all felt real terrible about it. Cam Cameron sat next to the entire offense and consoled them.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:52 am to Makavellimw
Ok that is his opinion.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:54 am to JawjaTigah
Also, are we really celebrating a defensive effort where Wisconsin played the least talented qb LSU has seen in the Les Miles era and they let him escape sack after sack and throw for over 200 yards?
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 11:20 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:54 am to Makavellimw
quote:
Coach Miles Should Definitely NOT be Fired:
Incorrect. He should have went off into the sunset last year, but Louisiana being Louisiana, screwed that up. That screw up is a microcosm of how things go in Louisiana. Just embarrassing.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:54 am to Makavellimw
This is what's wrong with media. If he makes those arguments against Les being fired, then he has no business writing articles castigating LSU for that performance. In fact, he should just say "expectations were too high, and this is the product LSU fans should expect going forward."
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:54 am to therick711
quote:
I remember when the entire offense threw that interception to end the game.
If you're gonna be a smartass at least know what you're talking about. A completely unblocked rusher was on Harris almost immediately. Even if he doesn't throw the pick there (which yes, it was still a bad throw), they likely lose 7-10 yards and are back out of FG range.
Everyone bashing Harris has some reason to do so, but to completely ignore the O-line's struggles in this game and complete lack of game changing plays by any of the skill players (outside of Dural's catch and run TD), is foolish.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:55 am to Makavellimw
So the reason Miles should not be fired is because he was almost fired last year?
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:56 am to therick711
quote:
Also, are we really celebrating a defensive effort where Wisconsin played easily the least talented qb LSU has seen in the Les Miles era and they let him escape sack after sack and throw for over 200 yards?
That may be the case, but they had a gameplan that worked. I noticed a ton of quick throws to negate our pressure and when they did get close, he was able to wiggle out of it. How about giving someone else credit?
Should LSU have won? Very much so. But that's the reason the game is played. The storyline of Wisconsin playing at Lambeau and the fire that they came out with is barely talked about.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:57 am to therick711
quote:
Wisconsin played easily the least talented qb LSU has seen in the Les Miles era
That's just silly.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:57 am to topcat88
who gives a shite T-bob, on your assessment
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:59 am to Makavellimw
quote:
From villain to victim. In the end, Coach Miles retained his job and established dominance over Joe Alleva and his higher ups. This is the first reason why Coach Miles should definitely NOT be released, the fact that LSU does not want to be embarrassed once again on that national stage.
I've read some dumb shite today but this takes the cake. The way we didn't get rid of a coach that deserved to lose his job is reason to keep him? We should endure additional seasons of embarrassment due to that dipshit's refusal to adapt to today's game because we flubbed up his firing?
What?
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 10:59 am to Makavellimw
A FEW fans were feeling sorry for him. The media, soccer Moms and betas cried over him. Most of us have felt he should be fired for years.
I don't understand T Bob defending Miles. He made him stand on the sidelines in the National Title game! It makes you wonder even more what happened the day of that game, and in the aftermath.
I don't understand T Bob defending Miles. He made him stand on the sidelines in the National Title game! It makes you wonder even more what happened the day of that game, and in the aftermath.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:00 am to Y.A. Tittle
that's not even the worst Wisconsin QB we've faced in the Miles era
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:00 am to Makavellimw
B*llsh*t T-Bob.
Enough of this Groundhog Day crap.
Miles has to go.
He's a nice guy and fun for the ESPN guys to hang out and chuckle with-but his football is excruciating to experience
Enough of this Groundhog Day crap.
Miles has to go.
He's a nice guy and fun for the ESPN guys to hang out and chuckle with-but his football is excruciating to experience
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:00 am to JawjaTigah
Yes, that is his opinion. And it is an educated, experienced, well thought out assesment instead of some irrational, knee jerk over reaction.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:00 am to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:
A completely unblocked rusher was on Harris almost immediately.
Yep, to escape that hopeless situation, he heaved the ball and it was an INT, not his fault. Wait, he actually escaped that pressure then threw it right to the Wisconsin db because he can't be bothered to practice throwing a football enough to not be an inaccurate mess.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:00 am to Makavellimw
Defense will still be really good.
We've won before with great defense and bad to mediocre offense. We still can. Just a really tough schedule to do it against this year.
We've won before with great defense and bad to mediocre offense. We still can. Just a really tough schedule to do it against this year.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:01 am to Makavellimw
T Bob was right on the first point, a fricking idiot on his second point, and sort of right on his last point.
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