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re: ‘This is unprecedented’: 174 heroin overdoses in 6 days in Cincinnati
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:27 pm to atxfan
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:27 pm to atxfan
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I'm confused as to what is legal. I read the article twice and didn't see anything. The laced heroin?
I'm being obtuse. The drugs are obviously illegal but it certainly does not stop anyone from doing them. The only thing harsh drug sentencing does is lock people in a cage for longer than they should be there.
TLDR; The war on drugs is a failure and it's time to reevaluate what we are trying to accomplish.
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Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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nd Narcan doesn't work on these drugs that is being mixed with the heroin. So you can't really help people who are overdosing with it.
Why?
Am I wrong, and it's not an opiate but a barbituate? Or is it just the potency of the opiate used?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:27 pm to Ace Midnight
Ironically, that's EXACTLY how addicts must be approached.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's been somewhat effective here. People arrested for drugs can get alternative sentencing which relies on outpatient, inpatient or a combination thereof. It's intensive and long enough to make a difference. I believe we will see a marked difference a couple of years down the road.
Alright - let's play white devil's advocate - suppose we make it all legal. What is the stick to get people into treatment then?
Right, there will be no stick, so there will be little to no effective treatment like this. But they want to take the money we'll ostensibly save by legalization and employ some otherwise unemployable psychology and sociology majors.
That's a great idea and very effective use of the taxypayers' money.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:29 pm to Ace Midnight
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resource wasting navel gazing, at best. Most people who want to get clean, get clean on their own. Folks that need a "rehab center" to get them off drugs are going to go back to using drugs when they leave the "rehab center" - 9 times out of 10. Not cost-effective at all.
Lol
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:29 pm to PuntBamaPunt
What kind of person goes...you know, I'll try heroin. This seems like a good choice for me and my family.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:29 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Is this the new elephant tranquilizer heroin?
I read, here I believe, that heroin was being laced with this elephant tranquilizer. It's name suggested it was similar to fentanyl, just 100 fold more potent.
Direct result to a reaction by the DEA over prescription drugs. Vicodin becoming triplicate primarily. You made fricking heroin more affordable than Vicodin.
Yes, the tranquilar makes the heroin more pure.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:30 pm to Ace Midnight
If they're not addicted anymore most won't go back. Sure some will, but it's better then spending a shite ton of money to turn them into violent criminals
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:31 pm to DupontsCircle
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What kind of person goes...you know, I'll try heroin. This seems like a good choice for me and my family.
most of the recent increase is from people that became addicted to oxy, prescribed or not. That flow has largely been closed so they turn to heroin (cheaper/easier to get).
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:31 pm to dawgfan24348
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If they're not addicted anymore most won't go back. Sure some will,
and they quickly OD taking their "usual" dose.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:32 pm to DupontsCircle
Most people get pressured into it at a young age and wind up addicted or dead. It's easy to say it's a bad decision from your point of view but not everyone shares the same view or lifestyle
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:33 pm to PuntBamaPunt
Natural selection doin work son
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:33 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Why?
Am I wrong, and it's not an opiate but a barbituate? Or is it just the potency of the opiate used?
Not sure, but first responders say it's not working. Usually one dose reverses the affects of heroin.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:35 pm to DupontsCircle
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What kind of person goes...you know, I'll try heroin. This seems like a good choice for me and my family.
Two types - people who are in a drug-infested area and just try it with their junkie/drug dealer friends. Heroin is highly addictive and some folks get hooked after just a couple of doses.
The other types are just as this thread suggests - folks who get addicted to prescription pills - and, for the record, some do fairly innocently following a doctor's prescription, and others start using prescription pills recreationally because of availability. And, when the price of their pills gets higher than heroin, some stupidly go with the cheaper and far more dangerous option.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:35 pm to PuntBamaPunt
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most of the recent increase is from people that became addicted to oxy, prescribed or not. That flow has largely been closed so they turn to heroin (cheaper/easier to get).
I couldn't tell you one place where to get heroin here in DC. The whole idea between actually being heroin and then having to use a frickING NEEDLE will make me NOPE the frick out.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:36 pm to Ace Midnight
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Alright - let's play white devil's advocate - suppose we make it all legal. What is the stick to get people into treatment then?
Right, there will be no stick, so there will be little to no effective treatment like this. But they want to take the money we'll ostensibly save by legalization and employ some otherwise unemployable psychology and sociology majors.
That's a great idea and very effective use of the taxypayers' money.
Oh, maybe surviving and living...
I don't mind allowing people to succumb to their own devices. We can't save everyone. However, the current policy seems more dangerous.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:37 pm to dawgfan24348
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not everyone shares the same view or lifestyle
Oh you mean...living? Weed, I understand. Acid? OK. X? I understand. Coke? Been there, done that.
H? Nah. That's where you draw the line.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:40 pm to DupontsCircle
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H? Nah. That's where you draw the line.
Some folks don't like/develop a taste for stimulants. And folks on H have a love/hate relationship with it. A hardcore addiction takes everything from the junkie, but he/she literally gets physically sick on withdrawal and could die if it's done cold turkey.
So, all my hard heartedness in the thread, I'm of the opinion a surgeon has to cut to cure. Make junkies so miserable they die or quit. Make being a junkie something that is both not cool and not coddled. It is to prevent the junkies of the future that drives me to be so strict on the issue.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:47 pm to DupontsCircle
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H? Nah. That's where you draw the line.
Different strokes.
You ever watch Goodfellas while on Norco after a kidney stone procedure?
Or a free UFC fight while on Demerol after an appendectomy?
It was bliss.
After the Demerol though I was not happy! Felt like the scene from train spotting. Where the guy lays on the red carpet and it swallows him. That's what the hospital bed felt like. I had to lay it flat, but wanted to be "flatter".
Posted on 8/29/16 at 12:52 pm to PuntBamaPunt
Fentanyl overdoses most likely.
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