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re: Germany/Italy Match Thread (2 p.m. on ESPN2)
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:11 pm to rt3
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:11 pm to rt3
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Zaza should never be allowed on a pitch again. This is truly one of the worst penalties of all-time considering the run up
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esp. considering they subbed him into the game at the very last second (almost literally) to do... that
As said previously in the thread, that was pure karma from the football gods.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:11 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:13 pm to jackwoods4
Zaza's run up was ridiculous, but Pelle's was the absolute worst...
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:15 pm to TFTC
Piscinin is melting somewhere
Should have been Giovinco!
Should have been Giovinco!
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:19 pm to Mr Personality
Giovinco is a good offensive player that can stretch defenses.
I'm more convinced after watching this tourney that Giovinco was not chosen not because he wasn't good enough but because he didnt fit how Conte planned to play. He knew what Italy was and how he needed to play. It almost worked.
I'm more convinced after watching this tourney that Giovinco was not chosen not because he wasn't good enough but because he didnt fit how Conte planned to play. He knew what Italy was and how he needed to play. It almost worked.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:24 pm to LuckyTiger
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Giovinco is a good offensive player that can stretch defenses.
He would have been shut down out there tonight
the 3 German CB's and the two wing backs closed down space so fast it wasn't even funny.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:41 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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He would have been shut down out there tonight the 3 German CB's and the two wing backs closed down space so fast it wasn't even funny
Agreed. Italy has no one that can break this and Conte knew it.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:49 pm to StraightCashHomey21
She's fine you queer.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:52 pm to Mr Personality
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Piscinin
I refuse to type this every time. He gets a short name. Pissy?
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:53 pm to LuckyTiger
Stressful game. I couldn't post in a crowded bar. It took awhile for the Italian fans to pay up.
Very entertaining game.
Very entertaining game.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 6:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
I don't get the time wasting. Italy had about a lil under a minute left with the ball down on the German end. Go win the fricking game.
finally their chicken shite cost them.
finally their chicken shite cost them.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 11:45 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Draxler's gf aint missing any meals
Literally told glass this exact thing at Finn's when he subbed on...
Only thing I remember about him from the WC in 2014 was him going to dig her out of the stands.
As I recall Weidenfeller had an underrated wag tho...
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:27 am to LuckyTiger
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I'm more convinced after watching this tourney that Giovinco was not chosen not because he wasn't good enough but because he didnt fit how Conte planned to play. He knew what Italy was and how he needed to play. It almost worked.
You're absolutely right about Conte wanting to stick with the 3-5-2 and preferring forwards that fit the system best.
However, I really disagree about that necessarily affecting Giovinco.
What you're explaining is less why Giovinco didn't make the team because he did choose a number of attacking players that didn't really fit the 3-5-2 any better than Giovinco.
It explains why Conte left the most creative forward Italy had available, Lorenzo Insigne on the bench along with the most in-from stiker, El Sharaawy and the dynamic young winger Bernadeschi.
These players are way ahead of Giovinco and even if Conte had been choosing the roster to fit a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, some players like Franco Vazquez, Manolo Gabbiadini and Dominico Berardi could have been chosen over Giovinco as well.
Giovinco has had multiple chances over the years to impress with the Italian NT but has always struggled a bit against elite defenders just like he usually did against the top of the table sides in Serie A.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 5:08 am to wm72
Idk dude when I do see some of those guys you mentioned as well as others like Pelle they never show me anything that makes me think they are way better than Giovinco.
But you are the Italy guy and I'm sure you watch them all a lot more than I so I have to defer to your opinion.
But you are the Italy guy and I'm sure you watch them all a lot more than I so I have to defer to your opinion.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 5:02 pm to LuckyTiger
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dk dude when I do see some of those guys you mentioned as well as others like Pelle they never show me anything that makes me think they are way better than Giovinco.
I agree with you completely about Italy's options at #9 like Pelle, Immobile and Zaza not being world beaters.
However, Giovinco isn't competing with any of these three players anymore than he's competing with defensive midfielders for a spot on the team.
These are #9 type strikers that are going to be competing with other #9s for a spot unless the plan is to run something like Spalletti's 4-6-0.
The player that is actually quite similar to Giovinco is Insigne: small, fast, explosive dribbler and very creative passer but not much defending his position.
Insigne, not Giovinco, is the one Italian fans who follow closely really thought may warrant a change of formation to get on the pitch more because, like Giovinco, he doesn't fit in the 3-5-2.
Insine is really much better than Giovinco by almost any measure (production in Serie A, how good he's looked for the NT against top level competition, actually being chosen by managers and also being a star on a top team).
Like you say, if Conte had planned to go 4-2-3-1 then you could see Giovinco making the team.
However, even then, he'd have certainly been behind Insigne and almost certainly Franco Vasquez as well (who also didn't make the cut) for playing time.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 6:02 am to wm72
I see your point. Thanks for bringing the info. This is why we can have nice things on this board.
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