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re: Bloodline - Who is to blame for this mess?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:30 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:30 pm to WG_Dawg
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And my point is that EVERYTHING that any human does is of their own accord (other than hostage type shite but you get my drift) and they should take responsibility. Ya know, like adults
You aren't comprehending what this thread is about. Although I agree with what youre saying, it's irrelevant.
I don't know if you can blame a specific person in general, but perhaps the two most crucial events.
Spoilers-
1. Robert kicking the shite out of Danny as a kid and the family covering it up. That is the most crucial thing. That is even more crucial than the daughter drowning. The daughter drowning is horrible and was the catalyst for the the arse kicking that Danny got and that would then open it up to Sally's selfish arse being the main one to blame due to her actions. But I believe that Robert had a choice in the way he reacted to the death of his daughter and making Danny the scapegoat. I also believe that they all had a choice to not lie about it, although that's asking a lot of kids to stand up to an adult so not likely.
2. Nolan setting fire to the restaurant. If he doesn't do that, Danny has a shot at making that restaurant a success. Successful restaurant = paying off his debts. Not having the restaurant and in turn having nothing to pay off the debts forced him to return home. If Danny never returns home then none of this ever happens. Like John always says - "We're not bad people, but we did a bad thing." I think John is a good man and has morals as evidenced by not being able to pull the trigger on Obannon at the end. If anyone doesn't give a frick about anything, it's Kevin.
One thing I don't really think is that realistic is why Marco was so much into pursuing the Danny case. He wouldn't let it go and had an agenda to catch the Rayburn's long before his situation was presented to I.A. I get him going for the case and trying to hang all of them after his secret was leaked by Meg, but it doesn't explain why Marco kept pushing before that. I would have thought that even if John would have pulled Marco off to the side and explained everything to him that he would have accepted it and let it go prior to it being personal. I guess it all depends on whether you believe that John killing Danny was justified or not.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 12:32 pm
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:55 pm to arktiger28
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This! I just didn't get the motivation. I know he mentioned that he had to stick it out because of the tape being unaccounted for. But why the heck did he choose to run in the first place. That didn't make any sense to me.
They really needed to focus on this point a little more early in the season. I can put two and two together and say that John Rayburn's history depicts him as the high character guy that knows how to take care of people. Of course he would want a position that allows him to be responsible for the entire county.
They could have had him "break bad" a little more and show him wanting power - that John was never really the most mature and the most level-headed. He liked being in control and directing families and as sheriff, a county.
But the criticism is dead on. John doesn't run, this all goes away. Hell, even if the tape was the reason he stayed in, once Wayne Lowry died, he could have bounced out due to "family" or "health" reasons.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:00 pm to dnm3305
quote:i agree with everything you said. And if John didnt have the heart attack, he could have made a great case that he killed Danny in self defense.
I guess it all depends on whether you believe that John killing Danny was justified or not.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:00 pm to dnm3305
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One thing I don't really think is that realistic is why Marco was so much into pursuing the Danny case. He wouldn't let it go and had an agenda to catch the Rayburn's long before his situation was presented to I.A. I get him going for the case and trying to hang all of them after his secret was leaked by Meg, but it doesn't explain why Marco kept pushing before that. I would have thought that even if John would have pulled Marco off to the side and explained everything to him that he would have accepted it and let it go prior to it being personal. I guess it all depends on whether you believe that John killing Danny was justified or not.
I honestly thought Marco's mannerisms at the end of season 1 gave away his suspicions of John being involved.
But even if that wasn't the case, Aguirre could tell Marco what to do any time he wanted after giving him the promotion. All he did was ask Marco to look into the case on Danny. Once he did, he found some holes that suggested the Rayburn family was involved. He's a detective. It's his passion to close cases. There was no stopping after that and considering Meg had broken his heart, I don't think he gave a frick about the Rayburn family.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:12 pm to StringedInstruments
Good points.
But I also thought John running for sheriff might help him gain more power and a better chance to sweep that shite under the rug from Marco. Marco is determined though.
But I also thought John running for sheriff might help him gain more power and a better chance to sweep that shite under the rug from Marco. Marco is determined though.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:22 pm to StringedInstruments
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All he did was ask Marco to look into the case on Danny. Once he did, he found some holes that suggested the Rayburn family was involved. He's a detective. It's his passion to close cases. There was no stopping after that and considering Meg had broken his heart, I don't think he gave a frick about the Rayburn family.
That's a good point. The only thing that makes me question it is that it's already been proven that Marco is not the most moral person either. He covered up the Aguirre case a decade ago. I suppose I overestimate the relationship that John and Marco shared throughout season 1 and some of season 2. I thought they were very close "take a bullet for each other" type of partners. I feel that if John would have come to Marco early on and told him that he killed Danny in private, Marco would have let that secret die with Lowry and life would have moved on. No one liked Danny so I don't think Marco, who has proven to be immoral, would have betrayed his partner and friend for something that John could have justified doing. The case could have died and been left at that. John would still have his demons and Kevin would be Kevin, but at least they wouldn't be facing life in prison. I guess that wouldn't make for a great series though, which this happens to be. What an awesome show!
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:34 pm to dnm3305
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1. Robert kicking the shite out of Danny as a kid and the family covering it up. That is the most crucial thing. That is even more crucial than the daughter drowning. The daughter drowning is horrible and was the catalyst for the the arse kicking that Danny got and that would then open it up to Sally's selfish arse being the main one to blame due to her actions. But I believe that Robert had a choice in the way he reacted to the death of his daughter and making Danny the scapegoat. I also believe that they all had a choice to not lie about it, although that's asking a lot of kids to stand up to an adult so not likely.
This pretty much explained my feelings. Also, I would like to know more about Danny leaving in the first place. In other words, what happened around there after Sara's death? How long did Danny stick around till he eventually fled to Miami? Did Robert send him off?
Also on Marco, he obviously had a axe to grind with the Rayburns. Maybe he knew more than he let on. I know he was doing the right thing but I was hoping someone would knock his arse off. Never thought it would be Kevin
I always saw Kevin as a punk who didnt have the balls to do anything. Even though he was a punk, I never really hated Kevin till he slept with Chelsea. That shite was wrong. On a different note about John running for Sheriff. I think he will continue to run and win. I think the first episode of season 3 will show him getting a phone call from Meg, turning around and cleaning up Kevin's mess then becoming Sheriff.
Him becoming Sheriff is the only move for the writers.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:35 pm to WarSlamEagle
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I blame Robert for everything on that show.
Be an abusive controlling douche and odds are some of your kids are going to rebel hardcore, then he doubles down.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:40 pm to CarRamrod
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And Coach Taylor would still just be awesome at whatever he does.
And this is the real heart of it-- he was so great as Coach we'll basically assume he's a decent everyman trying to do right in whatever he does from now on, he's type cast but in a Jimmy Stewart kind of way.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:41 pm to dnm3305
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I feel that if John would have come to Marco early on and told him that he killed Danny in private, Marco would have let that secret die with Lowry and life would have moved on.
I never felt that way. I always saw Marco as a guy who would have thrown John under the bus for the job. Even after it was known that he had covered up things in the past. He kept digging John about telling him everything. He could have moved on but he didnt.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:43 pm to Brinner
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The thing that bothers me about the show is that none of this happens if John doesn't run for office. Just wait a couple years to run.
True... But, John should have run its not his fault his family is full of pathetic losers, sluts and druggies headed by an abusive a-hole. Hell, if his entire family had gotten wiped out by the cartel or died in a hurricane in the first 5 episodes he's the freaking Governor of Florida in a decade.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:55 pm to Darla Hood
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In the first season was there some hinting that something about Robert's relationship with Sarah was creepy? I thought a few scenes gave me that vibe.
What? I never even got the slightest hint of that? WTH?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:22 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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And what was that choice he gave Danny? It was to back his restaurant or something to do with his son. Whatever it was, it was a real scumbag thing to do.
He told Danny he would either give him the money for the restaurant or he would keep sending money to Nolan and his mom but not both. I didn't really think that was wrong of Robert, Danny was an adult and should have been taking care of his own son and career
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:31 pm to LanierSpots
not reading any of this thread because spoilers, but is it worth the watch? I saw 20 minutes of the first episode last night and fell asleep, but I loved the setting. Key West is just beautiful.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:34 pm to LanierSpots
IMO blame goes from Danny>Robert>Sally
Danny, granted he had a shitty childhood, never got past it and became an even shittier adult. Plenty of people have bad or worse childhoods and turn out alright.
They don't mention what Danny was like before the Sara incident, but I'm pretty sure if his position had been reversed with John, John wouldn't have gotten a beat down... or at least as severe.
I can understand Robert's reaction to his favorite child's demise because of his least favorite's frick ups. I don't agree with it and wouldn't have done it if I were Robert, but that's neither here nor there.
Sally was shouldn't have lied and let her husband get away with it, but then she was trying to keep what was left of her family together as much as possible (sans Dannny). And we won't know till next season how shitty Robert truly was, but if he was that bad, she should have taken the kids and left.
Adult Danny brought all of Season 1 on himself. There comes a point in life where you can't blame Daddy anymore for your screw-ups and he was past that.
Danny, granted he had a shitty childhood, never got past it and became an even shittier adult. Plenty of people have bad or worse childhoods and turn out alright.
They don't mention what Danny was like before the Sara incident, but I'm pretty sure if his position had been reversed with John, John wouldn't have gotten a beat down... or at least as severe.
I can understand Robert's reaction to his favorite child's demise because of his least favorite's frick ups. I don't agree with it and wouldn't have done it if I were Robert, but that's neither here nor there.
Sally was shouldn't have lied and let her husband get away with it, but then she was trying to keep what was left of her family together as much as possible (sans Dannny). And we won't know till next season how shitty Robert truly was, but if he was that bad, she should have taken the kids and left.
Adult Danny brought all of Season 1 on himself. There comes a point in life where you can't blame Daddy anymore for your screw-ups and he was past that.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:41 pm to YeauxGurt
quote:Danny turned it around. he was digging himself out of the hole. He was righting the ship. He was turning the whol buss around........Then is tard son burned his restaurant down. That is the point of no return. Yea Danny was shitty for bringing the rain down on the family, yea Robert was a shite head for raising ht kids like he did, yea Sally is a count.
IMO blame goes from Danny>Robert>Sally
Danny, granted he had a shitty childhood, never got past it and became an even shittier adult. Plenty of people have bad or worse childhoods and turn out alright.
They don't mention what Danny was like before the Sara incident, but I'm pretty sure if his position had been reversed with John, John wouldn't have gotten a beat down... or at least as severe.
I can understand Robert's reaction to his favorite child's demise because of his least favorite's frick ups. I don't agree with it and wouldn't have done it if I were Robert, but that's neither here nor there.
Sally was shouldn't have lied and let her husband get away with it, but then she was trying to keep what was left of her family together as much as possible (sans Dannny). And we won't know till next season how shitty Robert truly was, but if he was that bad, she should have taken the kids and left.
Adult Danny brought all of Season 1 on himself. There comes a point in life where you can't blame Daddy anymore for your screw-ups and he was past that.
But had his son not burnt it down all of this would not have happened.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:46 pm to CarRamrod
Nah, he was going to lose the restaurant regardless. He was already fricking up the restaurant to the point he thought he had to rob a pharmacy, and that Ozzy guy wouldn't have let him go anyways without more shite going down. Restaurant was doomed with/without a fire.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:51 pm to YeauxGurt
you dont know that.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:57 pm to LanierSpots
I blame Sara for being a retard
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:58 pm to CarRamrod
I'm not sure if he went to jail for selling drugs or robbing the pharmacy, but how many businesses close down 6+ months because of owner felon charges/imprisonment and rise from the ashes? It's not like he had saved a lot of money to recover from that, let alone pay the lease for the restaurant. All the fire caused is his not being able to sell/have repossessed all of the restaurant equipment inside. That wouldn't have really made a difference either.
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