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Framing House with Rough Cut Lumber
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:18 am
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:18 am
Any homebuilders here or anyone that may know if using rough cut lumber is acceptable for house framing as far as inspections/insurance is concerned?
Will be building a house hopefully sometime this year and trying to weigh my options. I have plenty of pine trees on my property that i could use. And I've always wanted my own sawmill after using an old relatives. My only concern is dealing with the permit process and inspections.
Will be building a house hopefully sometime this year and trying to weigh my options. I have plenty of pine trees on my property that i could use. And I've always wanted my own sawmill after using an old relatives. My only concern is dealing with the permit process and inspections.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:35 am to lildaddy86
You need to check local rulings. Check with your parish PJ.
The small camp/guess house I'm building is 90% ruff cut lumber. I did put it up "green". Only had a couple studs and a couple ceiling joist go crazy that I had to change out. The living room and kitchen area is timber framed.
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The small camp/guess house I'm building is 90% ruff cut lumber. I did put it up "green". Only had a couple studs and a couple ceiling joist go crazy that I had to change out. The living room and kitchen area is timber framed.
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:47 am to fishfighter
Fish, did you cut your wood nominal dimensions or actual dimensions?
When I cut wood the last time to frame a house/camp, I cut it all actual dimensions being that I knew I wasn't going to send it through a planer.
When I cut wood the last time to frame a house/camp, I cut it all actual dimensions being that I knew I wasn't going to send it through a planer.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 5:13 am to lildaddy86
I had cut framing lumber 1/8" bigger then dimension lumber for shrinkage.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 7:28 am to lildaddy86
Check code first- most require stamped wood and the only way around this is a building engineer who will stamp your plan and products
I would not use freshcut softwood in my home-
A little known fact about kiln dried lumber is that the heat kills any insects, insect eggs or larve that could be present in the wood. SO how will you address this is you use green lumber?.
With rough cut you are going to have a lot of dimensional variation
IF you get a code variation they are going to want to inspect at a lot of construction points.
Finally - you will not really save that much money.
I would not use freshcut softwood in my home-
A little known fact about kiln dried lumber is that the heat kills any insects, insect eggs or larve that could be present in the wood. SO how will you address this is you use green lumber?.
With rough cut you are going to have a lot of dimensional variation
IF you get a code variation they are going to want to inspect at a lot of construction points.
Finally - you will not really save that much money.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 7:35 am
Posted on 6/24/16 at 8:21 am to 756
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A little known fact about kiln dried lumber is that the heat kills any insects, insect eggs or larve that could be present in the wood. SO how will you address this is you use green lumber?.
This.
How does Timbor work?
When Timbor is brushed or sprayed directly onto the surface of timber, lumber, OSB, or plywood, it diffuses deep into the wood fibers and acts as a preservative to protect the wood from insects and fungi, as long as it is not exposed to flowing water. The active ingredient in Timbor (DOT) will not break down, so it provides long lasting protection even as normal moisture changes occur.
Guess you haven't seen what lumber companies are selling as for as WHAT they are calling framing lumber these days. I burn off better then what they sell.
Also, have you been around new saw mills? They saw true if one knows what they doing.
Another way around is to get a wood inspector that will stamp your lumber if it's good that will pass all building codes. No need for a engineer. Cost about $150 to have it done.
Oh, why are there homes and buildings that were built 200+ years ago out of ruff cut GREEN lumber still standing today?
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 8:23 am
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:50 pm to lildaddy86
I would not use green lumber to build anything. The odds of you seeing significant movement from the lumber is almost 100%, since it will be under a load and the cull rate on softwood, like pine, is higher than you might imagine to begin with. You probably won't see much movement for months and probably even more than a year.
Also, if there are no building codes in the area, they almost certainly require graded lumber. Not sure about insurance.
Also, if there are no building codes in the area, they almost certainly require graded lumber. Not sure about insurance.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:01 pm to fishfighter
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Oh, why are there homes and buildings that were built 200+ years ago out of ruff cut GREEN lumber still standing today?
Probably because they were either hardwood or not air conditioned, ever. And even then the wood would have been set aside and allow to reach moisture equilibrium over a period of time.
Keep in mind, even 200 years ago. Lumber was air dried and kiln existed even the. As well, just not the industrial ovens we think of now.
Lastly, don't confuse rough cut with green lumber. Not at all the same thing.
BTW, where are these 200 year old wooden structures that have not had major repairs still standing?
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:20 pm to lildaddy86
Make sure you mill it to size and thickness and dry it.
I built a shed from rough lumber once and it was a pain because I did not have it planed. It was a very old slash pine and the boards were very hard--bent the nails. It will probably stand forever.
I used a boric acid compound too like the aforementioned timbor.
I built a shed from rough lumber once and it was a pain because I did not have it planed. It was a very old slash pine and the boards were very hard--bent the nails. It will probably stand forever.
I used a boric acid compound too like the aforementioned timbor.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 6:34 pm to I B Freeman
OP, just google "building with green lumber" There is a ton of info out the.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 8:00 pm to fishfighter
The wood to frame your house is the least expensive part of the construction project. I sell building materials for a living and have seen customers try to save money by using lumber that they cut themselves. In the end the framers charge more for having to deal with the heavy, warped, out of square, rough cut stuff that there is little to no savings.
If you want to save money do it with the finish products like plumbing and lighting fixtures not on cheap lumber.
If you want to save money do it with the finish products like plumbing and lighting fixtures not on cheap lumber.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:42 pm to fishfighter
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The small camp/guess house I'm building is 90% ruff cut lumber
That is Andrew and I's place to stay next pirogue build correct?
Beats hauling that camper everywhere!
Just Kidding...
hope you are doing well my friend...
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:14 am to Pepperidge
Hanging in there Pep. I'm getting a kick out of the no sayers of building with ruff cut lumber.
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