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Gut feeling, I feel like Will might have had a gun
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:43 pm
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Listen to the account of this witness. Cardell says, "frick y'all I got one too." Then shoots will in the back.
That video, coupled with reports like these: LINK /
Idk man, I really hope they're wrong, but it definitely changes the whole dynamic of this thing if true.
Listen to the account of this witness. Cardell says, "frick y'all I got one too." Then shoots will in the back.
That video, coupled with reports like these: LINK /
Idk man, I really hope they're wrong, but it definitely changes the whole dynamic of this thing if true.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 1:44 pm
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:45 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
That's why they go to trial. The truth will come out. It's just hard to justify shooting someone in the back as defending yourself. Gun or not
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:47 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
That would be such a terrible turn and gut wrenching blow. However, has it been confirmed who was in the car when it happened? Was it just Will and his wife? To me, it's already a terrible and unfortunate event that Smith was going to hit and run the guy. Everything that Hayes has said though has been truth. He didn't flee and he didn't run from any of this. So, you may very well be right.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:49 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
I guarantee you that he had a gun. Who knows if he went back to his vehicle for the gun or to grab his cell phone. It's all speculation. Regardless I don't believe Hayes' life was in jeopardy and that he had a legit reason to shoot. I do believe that he was looking for trouble though.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:57 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
Didn't he get shot in the back?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:59 pm to ForeverLSU02
Exactly!
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:02 pm to BigPerm30
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Didn't he get shot in the back?
The only way I can rationalize this as self-defense is Will told Hayes he had a gun and was reaching in the car for it. Who the hell knows though
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:03 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
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I really hope they're wrong, but it definitely changes the whole dynamic of this thing if true.
What changes? It's his right to have a gun as well as to inform someone who he perceives to be threatening him of this. Until he pulls there is not reason for Hayes, the aggressor, to be shooting him. The right thing at that time would be for Hayes to walk away from the scene.
Unfortunately the hood code does not dictate this.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:12 pm to Midget Death Squad
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What changes?
Nothing. Hayes is still a murderer. I'm just trying to understand what possibly could have been going through his mind when he pulled the trigger
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:15 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
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frick y'all I got one too." Then shoots will in the back.
So it wasn't self defense and this piece or shite can rot in jail with a rammed pit a-hole.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:16 pm to BigDawg0420
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The only way I can rationalize this as self-defense is Will told Hayes he had a gun and was reaching in the car for it. Who the hell knows though
Legally, that isn't self defense.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:16 pm to BigDawg0420
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trying to understand what possibly could have been going through his mind when he pulled the trigger
He was pissed off that Smith pulled a hit and run, so he followed, hit and confronted him. Smith informs him while being threatened that he has a gun, so Hayes pulls his and kills him. What's going through his mind is fury and street code.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:16 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
Shooter never saw a gun, no reason to kill someone over a fender bender at best.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:18 pm to BigDawg0420
quote:I'd almost agree, but even just that doesn't seem sufficient.
The only way I can rationalize this as self-defense is Will told Hayes he had a gun and was reaching in the car for it. Who the hell knows though
There's obviously a lot of things that could happen in between, but even if Smith pulled off a hit and run, if the dude tracked him down, got out of his car and approached Smith's window with a gun, it's only logical for Smity to try and get a gun if he has one as well, so it wouldn't make sense to use the "Smith was reaching for a gun" self-defnese angle. But of course, there could be other details we're missing.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:19 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
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Gut feeling, I feel like Will might have had a gun
And you thought it was a good idea to create a separate post about the very same thing that is being discussed in other threads?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:23 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
I would say that the majority of the Saints players that live in New Orleans own guns. These guys are millionaires and should have means to protect themselves if someone would try to rob them.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:33 pm to shel311
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I'd almost agree, but even just that doesn't seem sufficient. There's obviously a lot of things that could happen in between, but even if Smith pulled off a hit and run, if the dude tracked him down, got out of his car and approached Smith's window with a gun, it's only logical for Smity to try and get a gun if he has one as well, so it wouldn't make sense to use the "Smith was reaching for a gun" self-defnese angle. But of course, there could be other details we're missing.
Except Will wasn't sitting in his car, they were both outside of their vehicle and Will was going back into his car to get (unknown item) and then was shot. Will's feet were on the ground in the pics of the scene so he definitely wasn't just sitting in his car.
That being said he will more than likely be charged with murder with the given evidence but I don't think Will was the white knight that some of the people on here are making him out to be.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:34 pm to Sorrento Muddbugs
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Legally, that isn't self defense.
All depends on whether Hayes at that moment had a reasonable belief that Will was going to kill or seriously hurt him. If Will had a gun this case becomes a lot more complicated. Still it's hard to argue self-defense when you shoot somebody in the back.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:36 pm to bayouman
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Shooter never saw a gun, no reason to kill someone over a fender bender at best.
That's an assumption. He may or may not have. There's still many unanswered questions
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