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re: Short passing game is the key
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:12 am to BigBrod81
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:12 am to BigBrod81
Thank you! lol You can tell that a lot of people on this board never played a down of significant football when they say that a short passing game will unload the box.
Intermediate deep curls, digs, deep outs, and corner routes. Along with the occasional Post and 9 route is what keeps defenses honest.
Short passes (drags,flat routes, etc) are an extension of run plays because they cause the defense to do the same thing which is creep up. So no short passing game is not the key.
The key is having more than 2 wrs actually go down the field for routes and having a more diverse passing scheme.
I always see guys on this board say " HARRIS ISNT EVEN READING THE DEFENSE!!!". Well there is nothing to read when you have one Wr on each side of the field going out for a route. They are either open or they aren't. Yes you can look the safety off but essentially the defense can bracket cover each Wr in that formation which is why we basically have to throw a bomb.
Sry just had to get that off of my chest.
Intermediate deep curls, digs, deep outs, and corner routes. Along with the occasional Post and 9 route is what keeps defenses honest.
Short passes (drags,flat routes, etc) are an extension of run plays because they cause the defense to do the same thing which is creep up. So no short passing game is not the key.
The key is having more than 2 wrs actually go down the field for routes and having a more diverse passing scheme.
I always see guys on this board say " HARRIS ISNT EVEN READING THE DEFENSE!!!". Well there is nothing to read when you have one Wr on each side of the field going out for a route. They are either open or they aren't. Yes you can look the safety off but essentially the defense can bracket cover each Wr in that formation which is why we basically have to throw a bomb.
Sry just had to get that off of my chest.
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:27 am to GoDeepCoach
I would kill for some bubble screens, passing in the flats, and HB screens.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:33 am to mtntiger
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LSU absolutely REFUSES to attack the middle of the field
too much risk. 2008 permanently changed his way of thinking when it comes to offense.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:42 am to monsterballads
There's no single magic solution. An offense needs to keep the defense guessing at all times and make them defend the entire field on every play. Having a varied passing threat will help do this.
So it's not all about short passes or deep balls. It's about having a varied offense (both running and passing) that the defense has to respect, being unpredictable with play-calling, and also adapting our play calls to attack the defense's weakness.
So it's not all about short passes or deep balls. It's about having a varied offense (both running and passing) that the defense has to respect, being unpredictable with play-calling, and also adapting our play calls to attack the defense's weakness.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:02 am to GoDeepCoach
It's truly sad how everyone is excited about the possibility of a short passing game. It's pathetic that our offensive philosophy has come to this.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:09 am to GoDeepCoach
Spring is in the air. Next November will be a different story (from spring).
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:24 am to Fratigerguy
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Short passing game is the key
It is a very important tool for sure.
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GoDeepCoach
Hmmmmmm....
Funny. I didn't realize that. My point is we have to add blitz busting short passes. Too often our quarterback does not have time to throw the deep ball. If they load up to stop the run, they also put pressure on the QB. Screens and quick passes is what we have been missing forever. Bama kills us every year with damn screens
Short passing game is the key
It is a very important tool for sure.
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GoDeepCoach
Hmmmmmm....
Funny. I didn't realize that. My point is we have to add blitz busting short passes. Too often our quarterback does not have time to throw the deep ball. If they load up to stop the run, they also put pressure on the QB. Screens and quick passes is what we have been missing forever. Bama kills us every year with damn screens
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 10:25 am
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:30 am to GoDeepCoach
Is a short touch pass a difficult throw? I'm asking in all seriousness. I'm wondering why Harris struggles so much with it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:36 am to GoDeepCoach
Of course we have to "go deep" and over the middle. We should use the whole field, keep the defense guessing. The one thing missing is the short game. Don't say a screen pass does not affect a blitz. It makes a defense think twice. Alabama had BEATEN us more than once because of the screen pass.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:49 am to UnAnon
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air-coryell is to keep defenses honest with a consitent vertical threat and strong run game
Apparently most people don't realize this. Cam's entire philosophy is built on the vertical passing game pulling safties deep to open up the running game. That's it. They are low percentage passes.
BH has to get better at 10-15 yarders, but Cam needs to adapt the offense to be more creative, and that will take learning a different philosophy. I'm just not sure that Air Croyell can be as successful in college as it was in the NFL. The talent and execution will never be the same.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:57 am to UnAnon
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A short passing game doesn't unstack the box.
No, but I think it's a given that the OP doesn't mean ONLY throw short passes.
Ever played LB? If you're playing against a well-balanced team who mixes in the short passing game, it sucks not knowing right off the bat whether you need to fill your gap or drop back into coverage.
There's a rule of thumb in defensive football: for every 1 step you take, the offense has taken 2.
That split second can be the difference in a 2 yard run and a 25 yard run.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:27 am to UGATiger26
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Ever played LB? If you're playing against a well-balanced team who mixes in the short passing game, it sucks not knowing right off the bat whether you need to fill your gap or drop back into coverage.
Have you ever played LB? lol because a linebacker that was coached properly would know that he reads the guards to tell if its a run play or a pass play. Very rarely does a team run a play action and throw a short pass unless its a check down. So if they are running the ball a lot the linebackers and safeties (who also read the guard)will be close to the line of scrimmage/the person the are covering.
A short passing game is effective if the defense is bailing but in order to get them to do that you have to establish an intermediate passing game.
A quick passing game would be nice if the QB was able to check into it when he saw there was a blitz coming from a certain side.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:43 am to Keeble9145
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Have you ever played LB?
Yeah, I have actually.
If you're playing against a well-balanced team, you're virtually forced to stay "flat-footed" until you know whether it's a run or a pass. If you're anticipating run, your weight is shifted forward to fill your gap quickly. a good LB shouldn't do that, but it still happens.
I mean, unless you can you read minds. If so, you must have been a hell of a LB.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 11:45 am
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:44 am to Keeble9145
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A quick passing game would be nice if the QB was able to check into it when he saw there was a blitz coming from a certain side.
This is pretty much what my post is about. One side, both sides, middle, corner blitzes, safety blitzes. This is the one way to have the true balance we have been missing. Of course, if Harris can't pick it up, it won't matter.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:53 am to GoDeepCoach
Word on the street is Harris is still struggling. Les will not change the QB. He will just scrap any short throwing plays or passes over the middle. JJ part II.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:01 pm to UGATiger26
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If you're playing against a well-balanced team, you're virtually forced to stay "flat-footed" until you know whether it's a run or a pass. If you're anticipating run, your weight is shifted forward to fill your gap quickly. a good LB shouldn't do that, but it still happens.
You must not have been coached very well because every linebacker should take an initial read step forward so that you're not flat footed at the snap of the ball and at that moment you know whether its a run or a pass by reading the guard. The only time a lb doesn't take a read step forward is when they are in man coverage on a slot Wr but usually the safety has that covered.
Its not reading minds its playing smart football. What you are saying is basically like a quarterback picking who he will throw it to before the ball is even snapped. That's poor coaching and not smart football.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:05 pm to spiderman
Mr. Sunshine? Is that you?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:17 pm to Keeble9145
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Its not reading minds its playing smart football. What you are saying is basically like a quarterback picking who he will throw it to before the ball is even snapped. That's poor coaching and not smart football.
Uh, yeah. That's kind of my point. Are you saying that QB's never are biased or predisposed to throwing to a receiver without properly going through their reads? It happens all the time.
I'm talking about the same thing. You're essentially talking about the theory of playing LB. Or the theory of playing QB. Yes, in a perfect world with no mistakes, a LB would do exactly like you described, and a QB would go through all of their reads and progressions and throw to the correct receiver on every play.
I'm not talking about the technique of playing LB or what they are coached to do. I'm talking about the mindset and being biased towards playing run or pass on any particular play.
If the opposing team has just run 6 consecutive pass plays, on the 7th play, the LB might be taking that read step because that's what they are coached to do, but their mind is already thinking pass.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:28 pm to UGATiger26
Formations and use of personell are what makes an offense "balanced" and keeps defenses honest. Bama makes use of personell and formation packages and stays away from major tendacies. That is, for example, a particular formation does not run strong side B or C gap 88% of the time. So in film study when your defense sees that formation they know and can cheat to anticipate that play. If you watch the LSU Bama game the lineman were anticipating LF7 play side and beating our linemen to the point of attack.You can get away with having tendacies when you are physically and talent wise superior to your opponent but not when equal.
Harris struggles were accuracy particulary in the Bama, Ole Miss and Arky games. I can only hope that 1. Sports Hernia injury contributed or 2. Harris becomes more confortable and gets the ball to our playmakers.
Harris struggles were accuracy particulary in the Bama, Ole Miss and Arky games. I can only hope that 1. Sports Hernia injury contributed or 2. Harris becomes more confortable and gets the ball to our playmakers.
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