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Apocalypse WWI: debating the tactics
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:41 pm
Watching Apocalypse WWI got me thinking about modern day parallels, how I would realistically react if I found myself in that situation, the insanity of the whole affair, etc.
One question I really wondered about: what kept the troops from mass desertion?
Individual deserters/those who refused to fight were obviously shot by firing squad, but what was the motivation to prevent entire divisions from just saying "frick this"?
Think about your life: at some points of the war you hav less than a 50% chance of survival. You are constantly ordered to go "over the top" by distant generals, to get mowed down by the newly industrialized warfare techniques. A good charge will capture the equivalent of a football field at the cost of several thousand troops. You live in filthy disease ridden muddy open trenches, at constant risk of dying a horrible death from gas, shells, etc. You are also starving and cold. If you are lucky enough to be injured, you will be horribly disfigured for life in many cases. While you are suffering, your officers are living in the chateaus in the rear, eating, smoking, and drinking as part of the class system. Seems like there is no way this could have lasted four years.
One question I really wondered about: what kept the troops from mass desertion?
Individual deserters/those who refused to fight were obviously shot by firing squad, but what was the motivation to prevent entire divisions from just saying "frick this"?
Think about your life: at some points of the war you hav less than a 50% chance of survival. You are constantly ordered to go "over the top" by distant generals, to get mowed down by the newly industrialized warfare techniques. A good charge will capture the equivalent of a football field at the cost of several thousand troops. You live in filthy disease ridden muddy open trenches, at constant risk of dying a horrible death from gas, shells, etc. You are also starving and cold. If you are lucky enough to be injured, you will be horribly disfigured for life in many cases. While you are suffering, your officers are living in the chateaus in the rear, eating, smoking, and drinking as part of the class system. Seems like there is no way this could have lasted four years.
This post was edited on 2/6/16 at 12:09 am
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:44 pm to SurfTide
The Christmas Truce
Have you watched Kubrick's Paths of Glory?
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You are constantly ordered to go "over the top" by distant generals
Have you watched Kubrick's Paths of Glory?
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:44 pm to SurfTide
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One question I really wondered about: what kept the troops from mass desertion?
A sense of duty, honor and loyalty to the motherland and their fellow men.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:44 pm to SurfTide
Well in Russia troops did dessert en masse. The German troops started to say screw it at the end.
The French started shooting their own.
The French started shooting their own.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:45 pm to SurfTide
At some point you become numb to it and your mind sorta of shuts down in order to cope with it. All I can is thank you to all those veterans who made it possible for many of us to avoid the draft and terrible wars.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:47 pm to HempHead
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Have you watched Kubrick's Paths of Glory?
No, good? I like everything of his that I've seen.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:48 pm to SurfTide
People back then had spirit, unlike today's pussies.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:48 pm to SurfTide
You'll find yourself mesmerized by Kirk Douglas' chin dimple.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:49 pm to SurfTide
Listen to Dan Carlin's "Blueprint for Armageddon"
Best WW1 program I've heard so far
Best WW1 program I've heard so far
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:49 pm to zonk33
How does one watch Apocalypse WWI ?
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:51 pm to SurfTide
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No, good? I like everything of his that I've seen.
Yes! One of the best war movies ever made.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:54 pm to tennvol
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People back then had spirit, unlike today's pussies.
0/10 troll attempt
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:55 pm to SurfTide
Also, it wasn't always the "distant" Generals in WW1 giving the orders. Let's not forget the bravery of Captain Truman who stood firm and fought while many of his soldiers fled while fighting in the Vosges Mountains.


Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:59 pm to zonk33
Harry Truman was in battle at one point and lost his glasses while on horseback. He was blind, in the midst of hell. Frantically reached around, looking for them, and found them on the horses back, behind the saddle.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 11:00 pm to SurfTide
Duty
A pitch black sense of humor
A pitch black sense of humor
Posted on 2/5/16 at 11:02 pm to SurfTide
Trench warfare doesnt exist anymore
Posted on 2/5/16 at 11:08 pm to SurfTide
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0/10 troll attempt
You are so important! congrats!


Posted on 2/5/16 at 11:12 pm to SurfTide
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You are constantly ordered to go "over the top" by distant generals
This is a bit of a myth. First of all, the officer corps in most armies actually suffered higher percentages of casualties than the enlisted ranks. In the British Army alone over 200 generals were killed, wounded or captured. The French generals saw casualties in similar numbers as well. The German generals saw similar numbers of casualties, including two Field Marshals who died in the war.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 11:17 pm to Darth_Vader
I think he was just pointing out the failure to adapt to evolving ware fare by the generals and throwing away hundreds of thousands of lives in pointless experiments
Posted on 2/5/16 at 11:18 pm to pensacola
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How does one watch Apocalypse WWI ?
It's on American Heroes channel. Channel 287 on DirecTv.
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