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re: Mike Bianchi: Bobby Bowden better than both Nick Saban and Bear Bryant
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:08 pm to SPEEDY
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:08 pm to SPEEDY
quote:How many titles would Bobby have if he got to play a championship game every year he had 1 loss? Saban has had 7 one loss seasons and played for the title in 6 of those years
MO,
4 titles in 7 years and 5 in 11 years >> 13 straight top 4 finishes
Bowden had 5 one loss seasons in which he didn't get the opportunity to compete for the title....
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 6:08 pm
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:11 pm to lsupride87
So Bowden had one undefeated season and 6 one loss seasons
Saban has had one undefeated season and 7 one loss seasons
That is pretty comparable. Winning a title in college football used to be as much about luck and votes as talent and accomplishments
Saban has had one undefeated season and 7 one loss seasons
That is pretty comparable. Winning a title in college football used to be as much about luck and votes as talent and accomplishments
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:27 pm to lsupride87
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How many titles would Bobby have if he got to play a championship game every year he had 1 loss?
Not a valid argument. From 1992 onward his team had a chance to play for the national championship under the Bowl Coalition, the Bowl Alliance, and the Bowl Championship Series.
1987: Lost to Miami, Miami and Oklahoma both were undefeated and played for all the marbles in the Orange Bowl
1988: Lost to Miami 31-0. If anything, Miami had earned a re-match game against Notre Dame for the title
1992: Lost to Miami. Both Miami and Alabama finished undefeated and played for all the marbles in the Sugar Bowl
1993: Won the national championship
1994: Lost to Miami and tied Florida. Penn State and Nebraska finished undefeated and would have played each other if the Big Ten and the Pac 10 had participated in the Bowl Coalition
1996: Lost to Florida in the national championship
1997: Lost to Florida. Michigan and Nebraska finished undefeated and would have played each other if the Big Ten and the Pac 10 participated in the Bowl Alliance
So your answer is zero.
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:36 pm to lsupride87
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How many titles would Bobby have if he got to play a championship game every year he had 1 loss? Saban has had 7 one loss seasons and played for the title in 6 of those years
Bowden had 5 one loss seasons in which he didn't get the opportunity to compete for the title....
You could also make the case that Bowden didn't deserve the title in 1993. Notre Dame got completely hosed that year. They beat Florida State in their head-to-head matchup that year. Notre Dame not only beat Florida State, they dominated them. The final score was not indicative of the game's competitiveness. Notre Dame controlled the line of scrimmage and had a double digit lead for a majority of the game. If it wasn't for a fluky TD off a deflected pass on 4th and 20, the final score would have been 31-17. So you have two teams with the same record and one team showed that they were clearly better than the other in the head-to-head matchup but the inferior team got to play for the national title because they had the "better loss". And I'm not even going to get into the 2000 Miami debacle. So spare me the nonsense about Bobby Bowden getting screwed out of opportunities to play for the national title.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
quote:He got to compete in each of those years. He came up short with one loss and less impressive wins than other schools who were chosen to play for the championships. How many close games did FSU play in the ACC during those 13 years with top 4 finishes? What sort of success were other members of the ACC having? If FSU lost to either Florida or Miami should they have been national champions if they weren't clearly the best team in Florida?
Bowden had 5 one loss seasons in which he didn't get the opportunity to compete for the title....
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:38 am to lsupride87
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Bowden had 5 one loss seasons in which he didn't get the opportunity to compete for the title....
Sounds like he should have been playing in a tougher conference.
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