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re: Coordinators and Position Coaches haven't been finalized
Posted on 11/28/15 at 9:58 am to Festus
Posted on 11/28/15 at 9:58 am to Festus
No I was team Lee then....
Harris has so much more than Jefferson I don't understand that comparison.
I also don't see the regression, I think he is being asked to do more since LSU has played from behind and he is making mistakes. He gets excited and throws the ball with little touch. I think this is something he can work on.
Harris has so much more than Jefferson I don't understand that comparison.
I also don't see the regression, I think he is being asked to do more since LSU has played from behind and he is making mistakes. He gets excited and throws the ball with little touch. I think this is something he can work on.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:00 am to Open Your Eyes
If LSU doesn't have Herman then yea Les should come back.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:00 am to misey94
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The players are accountable, but someone has to actually hold them accountable and instill that discipline. That has to come from the top down
Miles is too busy telling them they "finished 2nd" instead of telling them they got their asses kicked.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:02 am to tduecen
i feel bad for harris b/c it's almost like he's set up to fail
if les's offense is humming, he will be limited due to a lack of opportunity and a simplistic strategy when he's allowed to throw. if that offense is going well, he's going to get some limited play action passes that won't require full development of him as a QB
if les's offense isn't working, then we double down by having a poor passing game mixed in with the fact that we're down and we have to make things go.
it's like he's set up to not develop
if les's offense is humming, he will be limited due to a lack of opportunity and a simplistic strategy when he's allowed to throw. if that offense is going well, he's going to get some limited play action passes that won't require full development of him as a QB
if les's offense isn't working, then we double down by having a poor passing game mixed in with the fact that we're down and we have to make things go.
it's like he's set up to not develop
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:04 am to tduecen
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McCarron was redshirt sophomore, Sims was a senior... Gimme a first year senior over a first year sophomore any day.
Another constantly moving goalpost from you pumpers. Is experience years in school or is it amount of time played?
In this thread alone, you've excused mettenberger for being a first year starter, despite being in his 4th year in school. But
Then you've excused Harris for being a sophomore, despite the fact that he played the previous year, even started a game.
But alabama's first year starters, well they've been in school for a while.
And alabama's first year starters that haven't been in school for a while, well their fans wanted them benched anyway.
Btw, this would also be a great time to bring up another in the long list of miles' faults: his refusal to get younger backups relevant game experience in blowouts when the opportunity presents itself. Should we do that here, or start a separate thread?
This post was edited on 11/28/15 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:07 am to tduecen
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No I was team Lee then....
Why do you think that Les benched him, and refused to even give him a shot at a series in the BCSNCG? At some point, you have to ask that question and demand an answer. Les refuses to do this.
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Harris has so much more than Jefferson I don't understand that comparison.
The comparison is pre-season hype and expectations of improvement simply because they have a year under their belt is just that, hype. Wishful thinking. At some point, someone has to be real and say after 11 years, we have to admit it's just a pipe dream, and it's not happening on the field. Why?
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I also don't see the regression
I think you're on an island then.
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He gets excited and throws the ball with little touch.
Dude's a sophomore. And has what, 11 starts under his belt, along with other significant playing time? And he still hasn't mastered touch passes, and not being overexcited in the 2nd half of games?
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I think this is something he can work on.
Oh, no doubt. A couple more camps with Whitfield, and he should be coming into his prime a few years after he graduates.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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if les's offense is humming, he will be limited due to a lack of opportunity and a simplistic strategy when he's allowed to throw. if that offense is going well, he's going to get some limited play action passes that won't require full development of him as a QB
Les is perfectly fine winning a ball game and passing for 78 yards in a game. He has no understanding of how to build a winning football team. Against Eastern Michigan his big adjustment at halftime was to quit throwing the ball altogether. We attempted two second half passes that game.
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Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:18 am to Festus
quote:Only reason you or I could give is that Les thought Jefferson gave LSU the best chance to win. Anything else is pure speculation really....
Why do you think that Les benched him
quote:Harris has more tools than Jefferson did
The comparison is pre-season hype and expectations of improvement
quote:disagree, I think Harris is doing exactly what he has done all season. Just now LSU is losing because the defense is no longer making stops and putting more spotlight on Harris.
I think you're on an island then.
quote:Look around the SEC, Allen in Arkansas, Dak at State they all improved from their first year starting and LSU would love to have either of them. Allen as 49.7% 13 TD and 10 INT his first year starting, now 65.1% 29 TD 7 INT
And has what, 11 starts under his belt, along with other significant playing time? And he still hasn't mastered touch passes, and not being overexcited in the 2nd half of games?
Dak 58.4% 10 TD 7 INT his first year, now 66.2% 23 TD 3 INT
So year I think Harris can improve from this season. Does he do what these two did or does he go the Jefferson route, I don't know but he has the potential to do what Allen and Dak did.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:23 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:Mett was at LSU for 4 years?
despite being in his 4th year in school
quote:oh man that one game is a huge deal
Then you've excused Harris for being a sophomore, despite the fact that he played the previous year, even started a game
quote:which is true... McCarron was in his 3rd year at Alabama when he started, Sims was in his 4th or 5th (not sure if he redshirted) Coker is a redshirt senior in his second year at Alabama.
first year starters, well they've been in school for a while
Coker has a quarterback rating of 137.8 Harris 134.1 for being a sophomore that is good imo.
Look at the SEC
Allen SR
Dak SR
Kelly JR
Lambert JR
Grier FR and having a hell of a year before suspension
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:26 am to Choupique19
quote:250-300 on the ground 150 in the air is perfect Miles football.
Les is perfectly fine winning a ball game and passing for 78 yards in a game.
quote:well this, I mean he has been winning for 11 years
He has no understanding of how to build a winning football team
quote:that was a mistake, that should have been a teaching game.
Against Eastern Michigan his big adjustment at halftime was to quit throwing the ball altogether.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:26 am to tduecen
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Only reason you or I could give is that Les thought Jefferson gave LSU the best chance to win. Anything else is pure speculation really....
It's speculation to say he thought jefferson gave Lsu the best chance to win. You don't know that. You want to assume that because it's logical and makes the most sense. But the championship game proved there was no logic that went into miles' decision making.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:27 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:why because you think Lee would have made a difference? Alabama was going to win that game even if Lee comes into it at halftime. They were the better, more physical team that day.
But the championship game proved there was no logic that went into miles' decision making.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:28 am to tduecen
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Only reason you or I could give is that Les thought Jefferson gave LSU the best chance to win. Anything else is pure speculation really....
Fair enough.....if you're talking about starting him. My question is why, after being dominated, and down 21 points, did Lee not even get a series? He had started the majority of the season, and was undefeated. I get not starting him. But not even a series? We shouldn't have to speculate. Les should provide an explanation. Don't you think the fanbase deserves at least that?
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Harris has more tools than Jefferson did
Completely irrelevant. We're talking about improvement, no matter what tools you have. Just considering your set of tools, what's the improvement.
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I think Harris is doing exactly what he has done all season.
So, you admit no improvement. Finally, we agree! (well, kinda, I think most people have seen some regression, especially in his demeanor and confidence.)
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So year I think Harris can improve from this season. Does he do what these two did or does he go the Jefferson route, I don't know but he has the potential to do what Allen and Dak did.
Dak and Allen have nothing whatsoever to do with LSU and their QB development. Nothing. Nada.
But you've just made the exact point that every person wanting a change feels. Les' teams have potential. They "can" improve, every season.
"Wait until next year!!!!!!"
times 11 and counting.....
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:31 am to tduecen
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Alabama was going to win that game even if Lee comes into it at halftime. They were the better, more physical team that day.
Strictly an opinion. It's impossible for us to know, because no chance was given to the guy that had started the majority of the year.
Duece, one question. Answer it honestly. What would it have hurt to try Lee, assuming your are right and we still wouldn't have won (which is purely conjecture).
This post was edited on 11/28/15 at 10:33 am
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:32 am to tduecen
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Mett was at LSU for 4 years?
He was in college, getting college coaching for 4 years.
Let's not forget you're pathetic response to the coker situation at alabama earlier in this thread regarding this exact situation.
I've also made it a point to only bring up other alabama quarterbacks in this thread, because that comparison had already been made. You want to expand it to other schools that have seen successful offenses with quarterbacks in their first or second year at a school?
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oh man that one game is a huge deal
Oh, so now there is a subset to when the answer for experience is playing time to you pumpers.
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Coker is a redshirt senior in his second year at Alabama.
And there it is again.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:35 am to tduecen
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why because you think Lee would have made a difference?
No, because the guy that was currently playing clearly gave you 0% chance to make a difference.
Go ahead and defend miles' decisions from that game, then proceed to tell the rest of us how we're ridiculous.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:48 am to Festus
quote:I have no answer, no one does but Les. I was advocating putting Lee into the game at the time as well.
My question is why, after being dominated, and down 21 points, did Lee not even get a series?
quote:Not really
Don't you think the fanbase deserves at least that?
quote:improvement happens, I think Harris was better vs Ole Miss than he was against Alabama.
We're talking about improvement, no matter what tools you have. Just considering your set of tools, what's the improvement.
quote:Eh to a degree, I mean I can nitpick it but overall no not as much as I would have liked from what I saw last year. I think when things get tough he tries to sling it and force passes, no touch is his biggest problem.
So, you admit no improvement.
quote:dunno, if people have been saying that since 05 then they've missed some good football teams and some fine seasons.
But you've just made the exact point that every person wanting a change feels. Les' teams have potential. They "can" improve, every season.
"Wait until next year!!!!!!"
times 11 and counting.....
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:48 am to Festus
quote:Absolutely nothing
What would it have hurt to try Lee, assuming your are right and we still wouldn't have won (which is purely conjecture).
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:51 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:from 3 different colleges, he wasn't in the same system till he came to LSU. I mean I can't explain it any easier, there is a difference of being with the same program in the same system for multiple years vs your first or second even. Hell Mett's first year starting wasn't even bad but not it is being seen as that way.
getting college coaching for 4 years.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 10:51 am to Open Your Eyes
You are, you are going to be unhappy if Les returns or unhappy if we don't get Jimbo. After a few rough games you will probably attack the new coach as well. ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
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