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Outsider opinions don't matter.

Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:37 pm
Posted by DrSteveBrule
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
12373 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:37 pm
People like finebaum and kornholer have their opinions about the way les miles is wanted out, but here are the main talking points I hear:

1) But Les Miles won a national championship and he has one of the highest winning percentages

2) Les Miles is an unbelievable recruiter

3) LSU was #2 a little over 2 weeks ago and now that they've lost 3 games in a row and the fanbase is overreacting

To answer to this, Les Miles' win percentage is falling and will continue to fall. He won a national title in 2007. If Les is such a good recruiter than why is our defense so depleted and our offensive line getting pummeled. And rankings don't mean a damn thing. If I get to #1 by beating up cupcakes and then fall out of the top 25 playing the meat of my schedule then that ranking meant frick all.

The problem with national talking heads is they don't know what's really going on because they don't get the whole picture. They aren't fans of LSU and they don't watch even 5% of all plays total that LSU has in a year.

For years, this is what actual fans have seen:
1) obscene amounts of holding, false start, and delay of game penalties
2) the most ineffective pro style offensive performance to talent ratio you'll see anywhere
3) clock management blunders galore
4) awful assistant coach hires that not only fail, but get rehired (Peveto)
5) teams that get progressively worse as the year goes on (this trend largely started in 2012)
6) the inability to put teams away

I can go on and on. The bottom line is that talking heads are just not qualified because they don't keep up with the program closely. All they do is read from a stat sheet and act like someone's performance can't possibly change over time.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
31159 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:40 pm to
Hard to dispute those six bullets.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42133 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:40 pm to
A counter argument to yours is that considering this list of criticisms, many lsu fans have zero perspective of any other college team and disregard similar issues across the college football landscape acting like these things just happen at lsu
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49561 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:40 pm to
Well your opinion doesn't matter either yet that doesn't stop you from typing a manifest.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
71474 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:42 pm to
I been saying this, outsiders opinions are completely irrelevant

Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
12283 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:42 pm to
This sir, is spot on. Couldn't be more right. Here is an upvote for you.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42133 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:43 pm to
quote:

outsiders opinions are completely irrelevant


Interesting because I've read numerous posts from people saying that everyone outside of lsu laughs at Les Miles and they use that to support getting rid of him but as soon as their narrative changes "their opinions don't matter"

Posted by lurkr
Member since Jan 2008
12382 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:47 pm to
Perception of your institution does
Posted by kbro
North Carolina, via NOLA
Member since Jan 2007
5297 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:47 pm to
quote:

A counter argument to yours is that considering this list of criticisms, many lsu fans have zero perspective of any other college team and disregard similar issues across the college football landscape acting like these things just happen at LSU


That list was pretty specific to LSU and all completely accurate.

An outsider who actually watches a lot of CFB would see all of what's on that list play out with our team regularly.

What other school with a $4M a year coach suffers from those things all the time?
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 7:50 pm
Posted by Ritual76
DFW
Member since Aug 2015
434 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:48 pm to
Unbelievable recruiter that can't win with the talent he has brought in the last four years.
Posted by joeleblanc
Member since Jan 2012
4114 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

Unbelievable recruiter that can't win with the talent he has brought in the last four years.

Can't win against 'Bama seems to be the main issue. And that is because 'Bama recruits,signs better AND more 5-star players. That is LSU's main problem. Less has the run of 3-4 star recruits especially in Louisiana. Its the lack of 5-stars that is killing him.
Posted by kbro
North Carolina, via NOLA
Member since Jan 2007
5297 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

And that is because 'Bama recruits,signs better AND more 5-star players. That is LSU's main problem. Less has the run of 3-4 star recruits especially in Louisiana. Its the lack of 5-stars that is killing him.


Bama signs more 5 star recruits and coaches them infinitely better than Miles coaches his players.

(and 99% of the other programs in America)
Posted by DrSteveBrule
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
12373 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:57 pm to
Maybe it got lost in what I was trying to say, but the main idea is that these analysts love to point to characteristics of Miles that used to be relevant but haven't been the last few years.

Part of it is that les is a very likeable guy. You saw how Hugh Freeze and his daughter talked to him after the game this weekend.
Posted by AaronBrooksLover
Member since Feb 2015
19 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 8:00 pm to
Spot on. Frick what anybody else says, what you pointed out is the truth. The media loves to hype this stuff up and get the whole country interested (i.e. by making irrational assumptions about LSU's fan base). I hate ESPN.
Posted by joeleblanc
Member since Jan 2012
4114 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 8:01 pm to
quote:

Bama signs more 5 star recruits and coaches them infinitely better than Miles coaches his players. (and 99% of the other programs in America)

That is true. So no matter WHO LSU brings in,(doesn't matter when), as long as Saban keeps winning, LSU is screwed. It will continue to be the same ol', same ol'

Posted by matsuflex
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
1582 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 8:08 pm to
The recruiting has been poor on the lines for the last several years.
Your points are correct and embarrassing as a fan. Alabama wouldn't hire Miles if he went there for free if Saban leaves!! There has never been a serious threat from any team wanting our coach, including his alma mater.
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