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re: Is the jury really still out on Steele?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 5:02 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 11/19/15 at 5:02 pm to TheCaterpillar
Of the candidates, he was by far the least qualified to get this job. Unfortunately, Chavis wanted to frick us so he left as late as possible. That's how you get Kevin Steele.
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:39 am to Solo Cam
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I think he would have a longer leash if the defense didn't regress so far.
I believe he is going to get another year. I wish he wouldn't, though.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:54 am to therick711
I, along with everyone else, way overestimated the talent he had to work with. I knew we had no depth, but expected the starters to be pretty good. Lacoture and Godcheaux are average at best and the DE's are even worse (other than Neal). Beckwiths play has been astoundingly bad compared to expectations. DB's aren't the strength they were expected to be. Adams plays the run well and Tolliver has been a pleasant surprise for a freshman, other than that they've all been awefull. I knew White wasn't this star he was made out to be and the rest have been just as bad or worse.
Considering the offense gives no help and the lack of talent to work with, that Steele has done about as good as could possibly be expected with this group. I like the hire so far.
Considering the offense gives no help and the lack of talent to work with, that Steele has done about as good as could possibly be expected with this group. I like the hire so far.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:56 am to therick711
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Is the jury really still out on Steele?
This question actually bothers me.
The jury had their verdict on Steele before he stepped foot in Baton Rouge. He's fricking terrible. We all knew it when he was hired and he is just proving us all right.
He's a bad defensive coordinator. Flat out bad.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:57 am to boxcar willie
So virtually the same unit that finished first in yards last year returns, and now we don't have enough talent? Come on. Steele isn't getting the job done. When good players play worse, that is scheme.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:58 am to boxcar willie
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Lacoture and Godcheaux are average at best and the DE's are even worse (other than Neal). Beckwiths play has been astoundingly bad compared to expectations. DB's aren't the strength they were expected to be. Adams plays the run well and Tolliver has been a pleasant surprise for a freshman, other than that they've all been awefull. I knew White wasn't this star he was made out to be and the rest have been just as bad or worse.
So all of our players got worse with more experience? No. Its scheme. Our DBs are very, very talented and this scheme has ruined them.
Beckwith is very good, but the scheme leaves him high and dry a lot.
Sidenote: White has played damn well this year. He is sticky as hell and rarely gets thrown to.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:06 am to TheCaterpillar
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This question actually bothers me.
Many on here have said it. It is just weird. As I pointed out, in 2008 when we were better on defense than we are this year, people were calling for the heads of Notorious and Doug. Now, everyone seems to think it isn't fair to judge Steele on one year. Bottom line is we aren't good on defense this year.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:07 am to therick711
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Bottom line is we aren't good on defense this year.
And its 80% coaching, 20% depth on DL.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:08 am to therick711
50th in Scoring Defense and 28th in Total Defense in his first year with a new scheme and a depleted roster.
Give the man a chance. The way I see it, I don't care if he's never coached before or he was a shitty coach. It's a new era for him and he deserves a chance.
The guy can recruit, and it's not like he's an idiot. Saban saw something in him.
Give the man a chance. The way I see it, I don't care if he's never coached before or he was a shitty coach. It's a new era for him and he deserves a chance.
The guy can recruit, and it's not like he's an idiot. Saban saw something in him.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:12 am to TheCaterpillar
Proud to say that I was banned for months for slamming the Steele hire.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:14 am to TheCaterpillar
I got called a clueless hater by all, but it's simply the truth.
Just to recap, I grew up in South Carolina and went to Clemson so that's my end-all be-all. After college, however, I lived in Baton Rouge for about 4 years so LSU became a team I follow and pull for in all situations not involved with Clemson.
Having said that, the fact that LSU would hire someone like Steele was laughably ridiculous to me. LSU has been the superior program for a long time so the fact that they would hire a guy who legit wouldn't be allowed to coach for free on Clemson's staff. It's hard to describe how ridiculous the notion of Steele being LSU's DC is.
Not only did Clemson want him gone from their staff because of his Xs and Os, but everyone on Clemson's staff considered him mentally weak and a bit of a baffoon. The guy once became physically ill, was throwing up pregame, and almost had to leave the coaching booth because he was so nervous. He went meathead before a game, and actually broke his hand from punching a wall.
The dude is a nightmare, and the fact that Les hired him should get him fired.
Just to recap, I grew up in South Carolina and went to Clemson so that's my end-all be-all. After college, however, I lived in Baton Rouge for about 4 years so LSU became a team I follow and pull for in all situations not involved with Clemson.
Having said that, the fact that LSU would hire someone like Steele was laughably ridiculous to me. LSU has been the superior program for a long time so the fact that they would hire a guy who legit wouldn't be allowed to coach for free on Clemson's staff. It's hard to describe how ridiculous the notion of Steele being LSU's DC is.
Not only did Clemson want him gone from their staff because of his Xs and Os, but everyone on Clemson's staff considered him mentally weak and a bit of a baffoon. The guy once became physically ill, was throwing up pregame, and almost had to leave the coaching booth because he was so nervous. He went meathead before a game, and actually broke his hand from punching a wall.
The dude is a nightmare, and the fact that Les hired him should get him fired.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:15 am to SabiDojo
The total defense numbers really aren't that bad but they could get worse . The total points allowed are atrocious along with zero goal line stands this year. Even the worst teams in league get that right!
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:17 am to SabiDojo
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50th in Scoring Defense and 28th in Total Defense in his first year with a new scheme and a depleted roster.
Wasn't good enough for BDP and Doug (the numbers are almost exatly the same, eerie). Why is it good enough for Steele?
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:18 am to therick711
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Wasn't good enough for BDP and Doug. Why is it good enough for Steele?
My only point is that it's his first season. If anyone thinks they can judge a coach, any coach, off of one season is totally fooling themselves.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:19 am to SabiDojo
Now, if we do fire Steele, I want to see us go after Mark Stoops.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:20 am to SabiDojo
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My only point is that it's his first season. If anyone thinks they can judge a coach, any coach, off of one season is totally fooling themselves.
BDP and Mallory got one season as coordinators. I'm not sure why Steele gets different treatment--that's all I'm saying.
Quick question, did you think LSU moved on from Doug and BDP too soon?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:23 am to lsupride87
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Steele was shite from day 1 and we knew it.
we just hoped for the best. Les signed his own exit papers hiring this fricker.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:24 am to FootballNostradamus
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The guy once became physically ill, was throwing up pregame, and almost had to leave the coaching booth because he was so nervous. He went meathead before a game, and actually broke his hand from punching a wall.
This isn't the first time I've heard this same thing.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:25 am to therick711
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Quick question, did you think LSU moved on from Doug and BDP too soon?
Numbers aside, if you look at a guy and don't believe in what he can do for the program, you let him go.
If Les believes in Steele and what he does, then Steele can stay. Personally, I think our defensive numbers will improve. Maybe that's the pumper in me, but I saw some good things defensively this season.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:29 am to therick711
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As of today, LSU's 2015 defense gives up (for all intents and purposes) the same amount of points as the 2008 defense (15-24.3 08-24.2) and more yards than that defense (15-342.8 to 15-325.5).
SEC offenses are built differently, today. I agree the numbers don't look good, but with the depth issues and other problems in the wake of Chavis leaving - I'm willing to say I like what I saw - at times. The defense rarely got pushed around - at least early. While the tackling was inconsistent and they definitely gave up too many big plays early (which made some of those games where we comfortably controlled both LOS, clock, pace, tempo, etc., a lot more competitive in the end - more than they had to be, but for those early gimme scores) - I liked the effort and intensity I saw from the defense - even in the 2 beatings we just took - at least through 3 quarters in those games.
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Why would Miles hire a guy whose philosophy doesn't mix with his personnel?
Best available? Y'all are yelling at him to beat Bama. He hired someone from Bama.
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