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Two aspects of replay that need to change
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:50 am
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:50 am
1) "indisputable video evidence". The word "indisputable" must go. Way too much video evidence can be disputed when common sense should prevail (along with video evidence)
2) Penalties need to get figured out. What's reviewable and what isn't. I don't have an easy answer here becauss a missed penalty is as bad as a bad flag. But it has to get solved.
2) Penalties need to get figured out. What's reviewable and what isn't. I don't have an easy answer here becauss a missed penalty is as bad as a bad flag. But it has to get solved.
This post was edited on 11/8/15 at 7:51 am
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Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:52 am to DEG
You want them to review holding?
Wow.
Wow.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:56 am to DEG
Judgement calls can't be reviewed which is good.
If you start reviewing every judgement call (holding, pass interference) the game would take 8 hours.
As far as evidence, if they review and there is no camera angle to dispute the call then there is no "indisputable video evidence".
Such as if a player scores a touchdown in a pile and the officials call it a TD. The cameras don't catch the full picture as the views are blocked by other bodies. Therefore, even if it was the wrong call, there is no camera angle to properly show that ruling. Thus "indisputable video evidence".
The replay has to clearly show that the ruling was incorrect. If it isn't 100% clear you can't overturn the call.
If you start reviewing every judgement call (holding, pass interference) the game would take 8 hours.
As far as evidence, if they review and there is no camera angle to dispute the call then there is no "indisputable video evidence".
Such as if a player scores a touchdown in a pile and the officials call it a TD. The cameras don't catch the full picture as the views are blocked by other bodies. Therefore, even if it was the wrong call, there is no camera angle to properly show that ruling. Thus "indisputable video evidence".
The replay has to clearly show that the ruling was incorrect. If it isn't 100% clear you can't overturn the call.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:00 am to KosmoCramer
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You want them to review holding
Where did I say that?
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:03 am to ForkEmDemons
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The replay has to clearly show that the ruling was incorrect. If it isn't 100% clear you can't overturn the call
Thanks for telling me what I already know. Read my post again. I didn't say eliminate the need for video evidence. It's the "indisputable" part that allows an incompetent call on the field to remain a bad call.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:05 am to DEG
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Where did I say that?
Don't think you meant it like that but here:
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missed penalty is as bad as a bad flag.
If you can review a missed penalty then technically every holding call or non call can be reviewed.
Just like every false start, pass interference or roughing the passer.
Too much grey area to review missed calls. Just part or the game. Sometimes the breaks go your way, sometimes they don't.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:07 am to redNation
Jesus. A missed penalty IS as bad as a bad flag, but I didn't say they should be reviewed. If anything it supports my notion that I don't have a good answer...simply that something needs to be done.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:11 am to DEG
I can definitely agree with you on that.
I agree that officiating quality has gone done. I think there needs to be a way to better train officials.
I think one way would be to get rid of conference affiliation for officials and have a larger pool in which to draw from.
Would prevent officiating squads from seeing the same team multiple times throughout the year and developing bias for those teams.
I agree that officiating quality has gone done. I think there needs to be a way to better train officials.
I think one way would be to get rid of conference affiliation for officials and have a larger pool in which to draw from.
Would prevent officiating squads from seeing the same team multiple times throughout the year and developing bias for those teams.
This post was edited on 11/8/15 at 8:13 am
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:17 am to redNation
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Would prevent officiating squads from seeing the same team multiple times throughout the year and developing bias for those teams.
I couldn't agree more
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:51 am to DEG
I disagree with you.
The video is proof. If there isn't proof, then you can't overturn the call, even if you can "assume" from the video that the call was wrong.
The video is proof. If there isn't proof, then you can't overturn the call, even if you can "assume" from the video that the call was wrong.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:56 am to Domino Carver
Why do they bother to say a call is "confirmed", while other times the call merely "stands"?
The TV guys act like there is a difference. Why? It may make interesting conversation, but it changes nothing.
They should have to read from a card: "After review, there (is or is not) indisputable video evidence that the call on the field was wrong." If there "is" indisputable evidence the call was wrong, then explain the correct call. That is all.
The TV guys act like there is a difference. Why? It may make interesting conversation, but it changes nothing.
They should have to read from a card: "After review, there (is or is not) indisputable video evidence that the call on the field was wrong." If there "is" indisputable evidence the call was wrong, then explain the correct call. That is all.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:59 am to DEG
I think a big problem is that a lot of refs err on the side of caution these days with calling turnovers because they think they have instant replay as a crutch to correct the call. What ends up happening is a lot of these bang-bang 50/50 calls keep getting called a turnover on the field and can't be overturned because there's not a great angle or bodies are blocking the view of the ball.
This post was edited on 11/8/15 at 10:01 am
Posted on 11/8/15 at 10:15 am to ForkEmDemons
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If you start reviewing every judgement call (holding, pass interference) the game would take 8 hours.
So basically the games would run as long as the typical CBS televised game
Posted on 11/8/15 at 10:42 am to Twenty 49
quote:They do exactly what you are saying when they say "confirmed" or "stands".
Why do they bother to say a call is "confirmed", while other times the call merely "stands"?
The TV guys act like there is a difference. Why? It may make interesting conversation, but it changes nothing.
They should have to read from a card: "After review, there (is or is not) indisputable video evidence that the call on the field was wrong." If there "is" indisputable evidence the call was wrong, then explain the correct call. That is all.
Call is confirmed = The call we made on the field was correct, and it was proven by the video evidence.
Call stands = There is not enough video evidence to prove that our call was wrong. Therefore, it stands.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 10:58 am to DEG
Damn straight OP. Dumb question but do officials get fined for fricking up calls? Obviously there have been some in the recent past that have been fired for such bad calls, but I think they deserve to get some sort of consequence for fricking up calls. Their job is to get the game right and enforce the rules properly. Rarely do I see that happen.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:06 am to DEG
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missed penalty is as bad as a bad flag
I would disagree with you there. The worst thing a ref can do is calling something that did not happen (which is a bad flag). When in doubt, flag stays in pocket.
But yes review of penalties needs to be figured out.
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