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Cam Cameron's career, quarterbacks, and the running game

Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:38 am
Posted by trooploop
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:38 am
I've been following Cam Cameron's career closely since his IU days as I am an Indiana alum and really felt that he had the program headed in the right direction before he was fired so I have continued to follow very closely the teams he has coached since he left IU. So, yes, I am a t-shirt LSU fan but I know I can name 50 players on the current LSU roster off of the top of my head so I do want to offer a little bit of perspective.

First, this is Cam Cameron's offense, the good and the bad. Yes, I'm sure there are times that Les pulls in the reins but it certainly looks to me like Cam is calling the offensive shots so he can take criticism as well.

First, the running game has always been a huge staple of Cam Cameron offenses. This gets overlooked at times because he has been so solid at developing quarterbacks.

At Indiana, Antwaan Randle El, and rightfully so, received all of the attention but in 2001, the year that Cam got fired at IU after going 4-4 in the Big Ten and winning on the road at Michigan State (rushed for 489 yards) and at Wisconsin (won 63-32), a senior running back named Levron Williams led the entire country in all-purpose yardage and averaged more than 7.0 yards per carry.

In San Diego, Cam was blessed with a tremendous stable of running backs, of course starting with LaDainian, but Michael Turner, was also excellent. In 2006, when San Diego had one of the best offenses in NFL history, LT averaged 5.2 yards per carry and Turner averaged 6.3. They just pounded people. Their top receiver that season was tight end, Antonio Gates, who caught 71 passes for 924 yards and 9 touchdowns.

Even when San Diego was having all of its success, Cam and Marty Schottenheimer took a lot of heat for being really conservative and not pushing the envelope in the passing game. Ironically, that team finished 14-2 and lost to New England in the playoffs when Tomlinson only carried 9 times in the second half. It was a constant battle, who is calling the plays, is Marty making Cam run the ball, and on and on, even when San Diego was breaking all kinds of offensive records, including Tomlinson setting the record for most rushing TDs in a season.

In San Diego the Chargers were first in the NFL in giveaways in 2006 (14-2 record and 2nd in 2004 (12-4). In 2005 they were 17th and finished 9-7.

In Cameron's one season in Miami, the Dolphins were awful. What was interesting offensive is that throughout a revolving door of quarterbacks because of injury, Ronnie Brown got injured in the seventh game of the season. When he got hurt he was leading the entire NFL in total yards from scrimmage.

Baltimore was very similar to San Diego. Again bringing along a rookie quarterback in Flacco (throughout Cameron's tenure in the NFL his starting QBs averaged 3.2 years of experience), the Ravens relied heavily on the running game and defense. His first season people were thrilled with him because the improvement from the year prior was significant (went from 24th to 11th in points scored). They stagnated in years two and three. While people remember Cameron getting fired toward the end of the year that the Ravens won the Super Bowl, they were literally one end zone drop away from going to the Super Bowl the year before. That year they were eighth in the league in rushing attempts, and 18th in passing attempts. The year after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, the Ravens fell from 10th in the NFL in scoring to 25th. They were 29th in total yardage. Flacco's QB rating fell from 87.7 to 73.1. His INT percentage increased from 1.9 to 3.6 (his TD:INT ratios during Cam's tenure went 14:12, 21:12, 25:10, 20:12, 22:10. The year after Cam left it was 19:22. The Ravens were 33-12 Cam's last three seasons in Baltimore and were 8-8 the year after he left.

Similarly, Philip Rivers had 22 TDs and 9 INTs his last season with Cam and 21 TDs and 15 TDs the first year after Cam left and the Chargers went from 14-2 to 11-5 to 8-8.

The offensive numbers at LSU went in a very positive direction upon Cameron's arrival in 2013. While Cam's offenses will never be among the national leaders in total yards because of the offense he runs, they had a 3,000-yard passer and two 1,000-yard receivers. The total offense improved from 374.2 yards per game to 453.3.

Last year was beyond rough. Youth everyone, a passing game that was worse than pedestrian. Cameron has to own it just as he has his successes.

My frustration with the criticism headed his way is that he's not responsible for the LSU offense (successes and failures prior to his arrival). By every objective measure his first offense here should significant improvement. No, he didn't just throw balls up in the air to Beckham and Landry. They had nearly 140 catches between them. They weren't all chuck-it-up-and-pray.

I thought Cam called a very good game against Auburn. Syracuse was a disappointment and, no, the drops didn't help but that's all part of it. The EMU game was as vanilla as I've ever seen. I think Cam and Miles were very concerned about embarrassing EMU and wanted to see what they could get done without scheming at all. In hindsight, not much.

All this to say, we have a very good offensive coordinator. The passing game will continue to develop (everywhere he's been he's been criticized for it's slowness to develop but everywhere he's been he's been working with very inexperienced quarterbacks). It's clicked with Randle El, with Brees, with Rivers, with Flacco, with Mettenberger, and having watched those guys closely I see a very similar track with Brandon Harris.

There are going to be struggles and growing pains over the coming weeks but facts support Cam continuing to move this offense forward very effectively.

Most importantly, Cam has won as a coordinator wherever he's been (122-69 overall record as NFL and college offensive coordinator since 2002). I'm fully confident that this offense is going to become really special over the next few years.

Posted by Rex
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:43 am to
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All this to say, we have a very good offensive coordinator.

Despite all your typing, no, we don't. The object of the game is to outscore your opponent while entertaining your fans, not to have the league's leading rusher.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 9:45 am
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:44 am to
I read it all. Good stuff. I don't necessarily agree with you about Cam's prowess as an OC, but I do agree that this is his offense and Les isn't calling all the shots as some people here like to say.
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:44 am to
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The EMU game was as vanilla as I've ever seen. I think Cam and Miles were very concerned about embarrassing EMU and wanted to see what they could get done without scheming at all. In hindsight, not much.


A coach should never enter a game with this mindset. It doesn't matter who the opponent is. This is exactly how upsets happen.

I've read most of what you wrote and while I agree that Cam is likely calling most of the plays, it's under Les' influence. We were struggling offensively before Cam got here and still are running basically the same offense since Jimbo left. They have to give these young kids freedom in the offense, allow them to make mistakes, and learn from it. They won't grow and learn if they are constantly bottled up.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 9:55 am
Posted by tgr4ever
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Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:45 am to
quote:

quote:
All this to say, we have a very good offensive coordinator.

Despite all your typing, no, we don't. The object of the game is to outscore your opponent, not to have the league's leading rusher.
yet somehow we have outscored our opponent in every game so far.
Posted by klrstix
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Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:46 am to
Interesting take on it..

And yes... I read every word!
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:47 am to
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A coach should never enter a game with this mindset. It doesn't matter who the opponent is.

And it's silly when one considers how much work we need in timing, recognizing secondary receivers, matching the play to the down and distance circumstances, giving receivers actual tactile feel of the ball once in a while...
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:48 am to
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Despite all your typing, no, we don't. The object of the game is to outscore your opponent while entertaining your fans, not to have the league's leading rusher.



Damn Rex you can't get anything right no matter what the subject.
The object of the game is to outscore the opponent. Period.
Fan entertainment is a variable factor. Some fans like rushing first teams, some like passing first teams. There is no way to please all of them.
Now go back to your kennel.
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:49 am to
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yet somehow we have outscored our opponent in every game so far.

8-5
Posted by liquid rabbit
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:49 am to
Solid analysis. Have an upvote.
Posted by sjmabry
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:55 am to
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Rex
quote:

8-5
Naw baw
Posted by Gray Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:57 am to
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And it's silly when one considers how much work we need in timing, recognizing secondary receivers, matching the play to the down and distance circumstances, giving receivers actual tactile feel of the ball once in a while...



Here's an idea for you. Maybe the team needs to practice some of those things during the week. Maybe there ought to be drills stressing those very things every day.
Revolutionary idea isn't it?

Please go away. You are showing that you know as little about football as you do about politics.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:00 am to
Excellent. Truly excellent.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:02 am to
quote:

And it's silly when one considers how much work we need in timing, recognizing secondary receivers, matching the play to the down and distance circumstances, giving receivers actual tactile feel of the ball once in a while...


If you recognize you're having fundamental issues during a game, you shut that part down and work on it in practice. Particularly when you can easily win the game without using that part.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Member since Nov 2008
1506 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:07 am to
Thanks a ton troop, your timing with this post is perfect. I was just reading your post history this morning because if anyone on this board knows Coach Cameron, it's you. This post says it all.

We've all seen the videos of LaDainian, Randle El, Brees, Rivers, Flacco and Mettenberger. Add to that the talent we have on the present team and we can see where the frustration comes from. But we have to be patient and trust that Cam just didn't forget everything he knows about offense.

It's coming.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56786 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:08 am to
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The object of the game is to outscore your opponent while entertaining your fans


This is the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

The object of the game is to entertain your fans?
Posted by PurpleandGoldmember
Member since Jun 2014
483 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:17 am to
quote:

The object of the game is to outscore your opponent while entertaining your fans, not to have the league's leading rusher.


Being entertained is subjective.

First off it is not the object of the game. Secondly, what if some people are entertained by having the league's leading rusher?
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:25 am to
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The object of the game is to outscore your opponent while entertaining your fans


The object is to secure victory, end of story.

Your 'entertainment' is last on the fugging list of shite Cam and Les should care about.
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:37 am to
Damn fine analysis. Too bad the idiot wing will never be able to comprehend it.
Posted by That LSU Guy
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11475 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:41 am to
quote:

The object of the game is to outscore your opponent while entertaining your fans, not to have the league's leading rusher.
Just wow.
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