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re: Clayton Kershaw stuck out 300 batters this season

Posted on 10/4/15 at 9:21 pm to
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 9:21 pm to
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I believe Greinke had the better season
never really disagreed with this
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He should also start Game 1
i disagree with this because kershaw is the best pitcher in baseball
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6027 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 9:21 pm to
I really wish goldennugget would show his face in a Kershaw thread.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 9:23 pm to
Greinke had the better season and I believe has better playoff stats as well. Go with him and go up 1-0
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145466 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 9:25 pm to
Cool. I hope you enjoy Kershawa game one start after your season ends
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
28617 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 9:28 pm to
The Dodgers postseason relies on thr arm of two pitchers. Outside of that, they're pedestrian
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145466 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 9:33 pm to
you mean the dodgers playoff hopes rely on the performance of two of the best pitchers in baseball? no way
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:18 pm to
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Saying Greinke is better than Kershaw because he posted a lower ERA for one year is lazy. Are Macro Estrada and Wei Yei Chen better than Chris Sale?

Marco Estrada has been fantastic despite wildly exceeding his xFIP and many other advanced metrics. He throws pretty soft and relies on getting a ton of pop-ups, which seems crazy in Toronto, but his command is so on point.

Obviously, you want to maximize strikeouts, minimize walks, and maximize weak contact, but some soft tossing guys with pinpoint command can work. Things can vary so much season to season, so I think it is totally fair to say that Estrada is having a great year.

Chris Young is the most extreme example of a true sabermetric outlier. He literally breaks the scales by constantly pitching up in the zone.

Will Marco Estrada repeat in 2015? Almost assuredly not, but it is a joy watching him frustrate batters right now.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:26 pm to
I'm concerned for you, I guys these Cardinals fans got in your head this season. The whole "your season will end" thing seems like it would be beneath you. As I stated earlier you are taking this Kershaw stuff personally now it seems.
Posted by DrSteveBrule
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
12046 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 12:02 am to
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Still the Peyton Manning of pitchers in baseball until proven otherwise


FIFY
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 1:40 am to
Your Kershaw threads are almost as bad as Rockets threads.
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
11362 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:28 am to
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Marco Estrada has been fantastic despite wildly exceeding his xFIP and many other advanced metrics. He throws pretty soft and relies on getting a ton of pop-ups, which seems crazy in Toronto, but his command is so on point.


No doubt, and guys like him and Young point out the flaws in FIP and xFIP (Cueto seems to be another one, he continually posts low BABIPs), but Estrada still isn't in the same stratosphere as Chris Sale, despite having a lower ERA. FIP, xFIP, SIERA, etc. are far from perfect, but ERA is just as flawed (if not more) in my opinion. So I reject this notion that having a lower ERA in one year proves someone is the better pitcher or even necessarily pitched better that year.
Posted by tigerclaws15
Member since Jan 2007
3482 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:35 am to
Cy young will be awarded to Arrieta
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145466 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:40 am to
You were the one who decided to douche this thread up. Not me baw
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145466 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:41 am to
What? I've started like two or three all year
Posted by broeho
Atlanta, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
1815 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:39 am to
Pretty nice having him and Arrieta on my fantasy team
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31085 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:06 am to
I totally agree with you. I am just defensive about Estrada. I am impressed that he carved out a way to be a successful pitcher. There is also no doubt that Chris Sale is a top five or so pitcher in baseball and Estrada will never reach that level unless he magically gains 7 mph of velocity at age 32.

Cueto is very interesting. I have accepted the fact that he will have a .240 BABIP. He is the absolute best at inducing weak contact.

Also, Chris Young does not apply to sabermetrics. We simply do not have a way to quantify his success.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279490 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:11 am to
Chris Sale had some terrible games this year. Dropped off a good bit

6 games giving up 5 ER or more. including 3 with 7 or more. He was kind of a mess this year by Sale standards
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145466 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:12 am to
The AL Cy young race is also pretty interesting between price and keuchel
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279490 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:15 am to
Price will win it i think

if Dallas played in a different market he'd have a shot
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
11362 posts
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:38 am to
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Chris Sale had some terrible games this year. Dropped off a good bit 6 games giving up 5 ER or more. including 3 with 7 or more. He was kind of a mess this year by Sale standards


Playing behind the absolute worst defense in baseball had a lot to do with that I would imagine. That and he somehow couldn't figure out the Twins.

He was really his usual self though other than an elevated .323 BABIP, which again I would chalk up to the White Sox atrocious defense more than anything Sale did.

If I had my choice of any AL pitcher to win one game, Sale is my pick (unless maybe I'm facing the Twins)
This post was edited on 10/5/15 at 10:41 am
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