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BH "still just a true sophomore QB"

Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:55 am
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:55 am
I live over here in SoCar, and as such, follow and hear a lot about Clemson and Deshaun Watson.

As y'all well know, Watson had a great year as a FROSH prior to getting injured (and still came back to beat Carolina in a big game).

Now, with subpar competition to date (get Louisville this Thursday, who lost to Houston) ... Deshaun Watson is tearing it up again as a Sophomore.


I am not a recruiting guru, so I don't know who was more highly touted, i.e. Watson or Harris. I think LSU did show interest in Watson ... I could be wrong.


Why is it that Clemson can get this kind of production very early from highly recruited QBs ... and at LSU, the party line seems to be that we need to protect young QBs from mistakes and such and not unleash them? Heck ...Watson ... "only a SOPH" (written a lot of times on this board recently)...is being mentioned in the Heisman conversation.


Watson and Harris seem a lot alike ... about the same height/weight ... cannons for arms, etc.

I can assure you ... Harris has way more viable weapons at LSU than Watson could ever hope to have.


Is LSU simply less aggressive on pushing the maturation process?


Granted, I understand that Clemson really had no choice but to throw Watson in the fire last year; Cole Stoudt was stinkin' it up. So, Watson as a SOPH already has some respectable big game experience.


I'm really hoping that we'll loosen the reigns on Harris more and more...and as his confidence builds, should be awesome to have an unstoppable balanced attack.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:58 am to
Pro-style offense vs spread offense. Fast forward 2 years, and Harris will be more NFL ready due to our pro-style offense vs a spread QB.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:58 am to
Clemson is better at developing QB's.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:59 am to
quote:

Clemson is better at developing QB's.
Spread offenses don't develop fricking QBs.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:00 am to
quote:

Spread offenses don't develop fricking QBs.


You're right. Coaches do.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:00 am to
I love it when people only use the true freshman or sophmore QBs that succeed to compare LSUs young QBs

I imagine I could list a lot more freshmen and sophmore QBs that sucked it up than you could list that excelled

your using the exceptions as your comparisons, not the norm

and what if Watson is simply better than Harris?
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 9:01 am
Posted by Royal Tiger Fan
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:01 am to
Easy. Watson runs a spread. Easier to learn with pre determined throws. Spread is typically easier to learn (see Oregon QB)

BH is in a pro style with a NFL styled coordinator and QB coach. Much more things to digest and have to know prior to fully being able to execute the offense.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:01 am to
After the disaster that was 2008 Miles will never allow a young QB to throw it much. I bet he still thinks he ruined Jarrett Lee letting him sling it around that year. He is going to pacify every young QB he has until he's a 3rd or 4th year guy.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10072 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:02 am to
Harris proved to the coaches Saturday that they can trust him and that he can handle the big stage. Hopefully they reward him with more freedom to run a balanced offense. We will know more after Saturday. I don't expect 50-50 run/pass, but we should see a little more balance being at home and Harris with another start under his belt.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:02 am to
quote:

BH is in a pro style with a NFL styled coordinator and QB coach. Much more things to digest and have to know prior to fully being able to execute the offense.


the announcers hinted at this the other night

Harris HS offense was nothing like LSUs offense, so the learning curve was much higher
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:02 am to
"only a sophomore" is just an excuse. Young QBs can, and do, play well. Manziel and Jameis were RS freshman, for crying out loud.

James Rosen is a true freshman starting QB at UCLA. Youth is not a good excuse for talented QBs that are coached properly.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25969 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:04 am to
quote:

Clemson is better at developing QB's.


There is a reason why Cullen Harper, Kyle Parker, and Tajh Boyd are tearing up the NFL right now. Clemson's legendary ability to develop quarterbacks.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 9:05 am
Posted by LSU_Anthony
Houston, TX
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:05 am to
quote:

Clemson is better at developing QB's.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18608 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:05 am to
quote:

only a sophomore" is just an excuse. Young QBs can, and do, play well. Manziel and Jameis were RS freshman, for crying out loud. James Rosen is a true freshman starting QB at UCLA. Youth is not a good excuse for talented QBs that are coached properly.
Jameis played a bit under center, but I know Manziel didn't and I'm sure Rosen doesn't either.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:09 am to
quote:

and what if Watson is simply better than Harris?



That is kinda my question ... asking for opinions.


Who was the more sought-after recruit?
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:09 am to
I love when people point to anomalies in completely different offenses to make their point about the QB.

Really don't see why everyone's freaking out. Harris played well last night, he'll get more oppurtunies as he gets more experience
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:10 am to
quote:

There is a reason why Cullen Harper, Kyle Parker, and Tajh Boyd are tearing up the NFL right now. Clemson's legendary ability to develop quarterbacks.


Where in the OP did he say anything about developing NFL caliber quarterbacks?

How about our coaching staff worry about developing college quarterbacks?

IN COLLEGE, which is the level LSU plays, Clemson is better at getting quarterback production. That can't be disputed.

And the NFL comparison is ignorant. For one, there are only 32 starting quarterbacks in the entire league. Any school's chances of getting more than one quarterback to "tear up the league" are slim to freaking none.

And, secondly, how many LSU quarterbacks are "tearing up the league" right now?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:10 am to
LINK

Watson #1 DT QB
Harris #3 DT QB
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:11 am to
And I agree on Harris. I think he'll play really well this season.
Posted by MF Doom
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Member since Oct 2008
11729 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:11 am to
quote:

Spread offenses don't develop fricking QBs.



You're right.
No wonder Mett beat out Mariota for the starting spot
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