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re: I'm watching JFK

Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:26 am to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:26 am to
#1 If you believe in a conspiracy then you believe that Ruth Payne was involved. She had to be since she was Oswald's connection to get a job at the Book Depository. You also must believe that Roy Truly, the man who hired Oswald there, was involved. In 50 years there has never been any evidence that either has had any connections to the FBI, CIA, mafia, or any other group conspiracy theorists point the finger at.

#2 You also have to believe that Jack Ruby, running late as it is, decided to risk missing Oswald all together when he stopped off at Western Union to wire one of his employee $25 to pay her rent like 3 minutes before he shot Oswald. You'd also have to believe that Oswald himself was involved in his own end as the only reason he hadn't been transported long before Ruby arrived at the police station was because he asked for a change of clothes.

#3 The physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that all shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository. The infamous "magic bullet" presupposes that Kennedy and Connelly were seated on a level plane, but in reality we know that model Lincoln had a front seat that was sunken around 13 inches below the rear seat. When corrected the trajectory shows Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one who could have fired that shot.

Oswald acted alone.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 8:31 am
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:29 am to
Yeah all that. well said.

If it hasnt been said, "killing kennedy" is a wonderful book

Sorry i didnt underline. My phone sucks
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
63008 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:55 pm to
Why can't people accept this to be?
Amazing.
All people pointed toward the SBD immediately after the shots were fired.
Guess they were involved, too.

Further, if a conspiracy group really wanted JFK dead, do you think this is really the way they would have drawn it up?
Shoot JFK when he's near no buildings, when he could have been more easily shot several blocks prior to Dealy Plaza.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:58 pm to
quote:


Oswald acted alone.


I believe he was the sole shooter. However, being a lone shooter =/= acting alone. There were a lot of people who had reasons for wanting JFK dead. I still don't know what I believe. It could be anything from Oswald acting with the tacit endorsement of Cuban Intelligence (the subject of the book Brothers in Arms) or a LBJ/CIA conspiracy, or the mob.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

#1 If you believe in a conspiracy then you believe that Ruth Payne was involved. She had to be since she was Oswald's connection to get a job at the Book Depository. You also must believe that Roy Truly, the man who hired Oswald there, was involved. In 50 years there has never been any evidence that either has had any connections to the FBI, CIA, mafia, or any other group conspiracy theorists point the finger at.


False. The caravan route was changed to pass closer to the depository - Oswald - if an operative, could have just been a convenient sheep dip.

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#2 You also have to believe that Jack Ruby, running late as it is, decided to risk missing Oswald all together when he stopped off at Western Union to wire one of his employee $25 to pay her rent like 3 minutes before he shot Oswald. You'd also have to believe that Oswald himself was involved in his own end as the only reason he hadn't been transported long before Ruby arrived at the police station was because he asked for a change of clothes.


Meh. Nobody suggests Ruby was James Bond. Maybe he was told to do what he could - they might have had backups, should Ruby have failed. His role in a potential conspiracy is plausible due to his connections with Dallas LE AND the mafia.

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#3 The physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that all shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository. The infamous "magic bullet" presupposes that Kennedy and Connelly were seated on a level plane, but in reality we know that model Lincoln had a front seat that was sunken around 13 inches below the rear seat. When corrected the trajectory shows Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one who could have fired that shot.


Meh. The "magic bullet" theory looks better over time, I'll admit. I'm even sold on the "magic bullet" coming from behind.

However, the Zapruder film still looks like a headshot from the front - I cannot contemplate a particular physical model of the universe with jetting brain matter carries subjectively, visibly much greater force than the gunshot causing the wound. I understand the vehicle was in motion and I accept that some draw other conclusions from the film.

I mean - there are far, far fewer leaps required to accept 2 (or more shooters) doing that work, possibly including Oswald, than it is to buy that he acted alone - I've never seen conclusive evidence that it is impossible that he did so (Occam's Razor and all of that), but it just seems highly improbable.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 1:06 pm
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