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re: Official Fantastic Four Review/RT 9%(SPOILERS!!!)-(by Fox)
Posted on 8/10/15 at 4:29 pm to abellsujr
Posted on 8/10/15 at 4:29 pm to abellsujr
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It sounds like Fox didn't want to put in the money for this one
i have no clue how it cost $122 million. i wonder if that number still reflect the 3 cut actions scenes or not.
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 4:32 pm to BlacknGold
quote:I'm thinking they came in at the very end of production and spent some money to try to save it. They ended up making it a shite ton worse. They may have been better off releasing 2/3 of a movie.
i have no clue how it cost $122 million. i wonder if that number still reflect the 3 cut actions scenes or not.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 4:42 pm to abellsujr
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They may have been better off releasing 2/3 of a movie
i dont even think that portion of the film was very good either. the entire movie had problems, regardless of who was directing what parts. it was just void of any connection and pretty boring. none of the characters actually meshed with one another and felt really cold and crammed together.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 4:42 pm to abellsujr
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Fox would rather finish a piece of shite in order to keep the rights.
somebody's head will roll over it.
they are going to lose a shite ton of money on this flick.
the actuals are now in and it made just $25.6m domestically and $34.1m internationally for a cumulative of $59.7 in the first weekend.
LINK
Normally, in a second weekend a movie makes about half what it made in its first but w/word of mouth and reviews being so terrible I fully expect it to have a drop of 60% or more for something like $8-$11m.
It's a tad early to say since we won't get the Monday numbers until 2pm-ish tomorrow making the weekday takes hard to predict but F4 might actually have a hard time reaching $60m total in its domestic run.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 8/10/15 at 5:10 pm to Dr RC
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It sounds like Fox didn't want to put in the money for this one like they promised Trank in the beginning. That probably put a big strain in the relationship between Trank and Fox from the get go. It may be the reason why Trank started acting like a dip shite during production. I'm sure the Dr Doom origin backlash didn't help things either. Maybe one day somebody will make a cool documentary on this like The Death of Superman Lives. I just wish they would have decided to kill this one in the beginning like WB did that one. Fox would rather finish a piece of shite in order to keep the rights.
and the IP has to suffer. At least WB knows that putting a bad product out there is bad business for franchise stuff...but since Fox needed to make this or the IP would "slip through their hands" they would have to to grab it and make the movie.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 8/10/15 at 5:14 pm to RonBurgundy
fox knew this would bomb. if they were going to come in and change the ending at the 11th hour, they shouldve said "frick it," gave doom his God-powers (although i have no clue wtf he had in this version anyway), had the heroes die, and doom start his own world ala secret wars.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 5:23 pm to BlacknGold
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fox knew this would bomb. if they were going to come in and change the ending at the 11th hour, they shouldve said "frick it," gave doom his God-powers (although i have no clue wtf he had in this version anyway), had the heroes die, and doom start his own world ala secret wars.
filmmakers apparently say Fox is a overly meddlesome studio-so it's now wonder most of the shite superhero films have come from Fox-Marvel
Posted on 8/10/15 at 5:55 pm to RonBurgundy
i think they shot themselves in the foot from the very beginning. clearly this project was not thought out well and was rushed. i think even from the writing and development stages. it looked and felt like everything happened way too quickly to have thought behind it just to make a deadline.
they probably spent a lot of time deciding on reboot vs sequel. then how to do the reboot. also, i heard it went through a ton of rewrites, which explains why its just a muddled mess of a story and the characters are just blah. even if trank was given free reign, his "vision" seemed pretty shitty still.
they probably spent a lot of time deciding on reboot vs sequel. then how to do the reboot. also, i heard it went through a ton of rewrites, which explains why its just a muddled mess of a story and the characters are just blah. even if trank was given free reign, his "vision" seemed pretty shitty still.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 6:03 pm to BlacknGold
B-Roll
I think a reboot origin that is a "re-imagining" of the same origin is bad idea in general.
Batman Begins works as a reboot origin not because you see Wayne's parents getting murdered but because:
-That sequence is built up to, but broken down into flashback bits.
-The first hour of the movie was fresh and new material to the mythos(at least for the GA)
-even though he wasn't in costume-Bruce was essentially starting his war on crime.
TIH was the other way to go, tell the origin in the title sequence and move the frick on.
Imagine a movie if the F4 already existed and we essentially get the deserving seperate origin that Doom needs?-not this shoved into heroes tale bit
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even if trank was given free reign, his "vision" seemed pretty shitty still.
I think a reboot origin that is a "re-imagining" of the same origin is bad idea in general.
Batman Begins works as a reboot origin not because you see Wayne's parents getting murdered but because:
-That sequence is built up to, but broken down into flashback bits.
-The first hour of the movie was fresh and new material to the mythos(at least for the GA)
-even though he wasn't in costume-Bruce was essentially starting his war on crime.
TIH was the other way to go, tell the origin in the title sequence and move the frick on.
Imagine a movie if the F4 already existed and we essentially get the deserving seperate origin that Doom needs?-not this shoved into heroes tale bit
Posted on 8/10/15 at 6:14 pm to RonBurgundy
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B-Roll
You can see the cut "Fantasticar" at 2:15.
You guys would've loved that bit.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 7:59 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I've never said that they weren't making the film to retain the rights. I just don't think that they're the bad guys for wanting to retain the rights that they legally hold.
There were ways to approach that and Fox took the wrong one IMHO. They should have gone down the route they intended for Daredevil and did an "ashcan copy" film to meet the bare minimum for retaining the rights, like the Corman version.
That would have kept the rights without publicly sodomizing the corpse of the IP by having such a high profile flop.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:19 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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You guys would've loved that bit.
elaborate insider.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:36 pm to RonBurgundy
Kebbel did an interview saying that fan influenced played a part in the reshoots, where they his characters name back to Victor Von Doom
LINK
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. According to Kebbel, that change happened largely due to the unpopular fan reaction to the new name.
"I think the fans heard that, and said 'It's got to be Doom!' and they knew that," said Kebbel of the change.
Kebbel also jokingly mentioned that some of the appearances of Doom in the movie could in fact be just a Doombot and not actually him.
"I feel like there's already a Doombot, but I can't say that. Maybe it was already a Doombot! Maybe it wasn't even me! Who knows?"
LINK
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:03 pm to RonBurgundy
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You guys would've loved that bit.
quote:
elaborate insider.
Did you see the jalopy in the video? That's the Fantasticar that Reed built in his garage. In the cut footage, they take off in an actual flying car.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:20 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Yeah I posted it, you made it sound like you have some inside info on the missing scene. It would probably be as bad as the rest of this film.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:54 pm to BlacknGold
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i dont even think that portion of the film was very good either. the entire movie had problems, regardless of who was directing what parts. it was just void of any connection and pretty boring. none of the characters actually meshed with one another and felt really cold and crammed together.
Stated perfectly. At no point did it feel like a Fantastic Four movie. The ending tried to make it so, but just sucked. But the Trank part felt more like a slow sci-fi movie.
The 2005 and 2007 movies catch a lot of grief, and they weren't great movies, but at least they had the F4 vibe.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:06 am to biglego
Yeah you can tell the third act wasn't entirely ghost directed by the wig Mara was or wasn't wearing.
Ben Grimm and Dr.Doom were mostly missing from this film...and that "take" on Grimm....it isn't Ben Grimm at all.
Sue and Ben maybe had one scene together before the end.
For all the complaints about MCU doing the corporate villain (IM,AM)...how many times is Fox-Marvel going to make the government the bad guy?
The body horror approach was the wrong angle to take...maybe for Ben.but Johnny loves his powers, always has.
There was talk earlier in this thread about the appeal of the F4 and some repsonses were that Ben was most popular character in Marvel for time (besides Spidey)....that's true.This movie made him really nothing more than a footnote.
Jordan and Teller were the only ones who looked interested.
Ben Grimm and Dr.Doom were mostly missing from this film...and that "take" on Grimm....it isn't Ben Grimm at all.
Sue and Ben maybe had one scene together before the end.
For all the complaints about MCU doing the corporate villain (IM,AM)...how many times is Fox-Marvel going to make the government the bad guy?
The body horror approach was the wrong angle to take...maybe for Ben.but Johnny loves his powers, always has.
There was talk earlier in this thread about the appeal of the F4 and some repsonses were that Ben was most popular character in Marvel for time (besides Spidey)....that's true.This movie made him really nothing more than a footnote.
Jordan and Teller were the only ones who looked interested.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 1:41 am
Posted on 8/11/15 at 7:38 am to RonBurgundy
I actually liked the way Thing looked. He just wasn't used much.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:51 pm to biglego
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I actually liked the way Thing looked. He just wasn't used much.
CGI Thing is definitely the way to go. If they could get the right voice actor with the right mix of humor and gravitas, it could be a franchise on its own.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:02 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Too bad they did nothing to develop Ben in the movie. I actually find his story to be an abomination of the character.
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