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re: Official Fantastic Four Review/RT 9%(SPOILERS!!!)-(by Fox)
Posted on 8/8/15 at 7:28 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 8/8/15 at 7:28 pm to RonBurgundy
Jesus Christ man, the movie failed. Your war is over. You can stop now.
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Posted on 8/8/15 at 7:31 pm to RonBurgundy
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Roger Corman made a movie in the 90s to hold onto the rights.
I have a very badly made VHS copy of that movie I bought off a dude in the late 90s. It is truly horrible . . . and the actors actually thought it was a film that was going to be released. I feel for them. I kinda feel for the actors in this film as well.
This post was edited on 8/8/15 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 8/8/15 at 8:02 pm to saintsfan22
As long as fox has the legal right to make a fourth terrible film, the war continues.
And really, this is more about art and ip laws.
Fox-Marvel is widdling down the greatness of this with each movie and this last one was made to hold onto the rights. To stick it to Disney, in part, because lucasfilm was sold to the mouse. Marvel wanted to use surfer and galactus in exchange for a rights extension to DD and fox said no, gave up DD. marvel then turned around and made DD a huge hit.
Lee and Kirby did 100 issues of f4. A prominent part of American pop culture art of the 20th century is being held hostage by a studio who treats it as a second tier franchise.
That isn't right, imo.
And really, this is more about art and ip laws.
Fox-Marvel is widdling down the greatness of this with each movie and this last one was made to hold onto the rights. To stick it to Disney, in part, because lucasfilm was sold to the mouse. Marvel wanted to use surfer and galactus in exchange for a rights extension to DD and fox said no, gave up DD. marvel then turned around and made DD a huge hit.
Lee and Kirby did 100 issues of f4. A prominent part of American pop culture art of the 20th century is being held hostage by a studio who treats it as a second tier franchise.
That isn't right, imo.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 7:12 am to RonBurgundy
the fact that people rewarded Fox for shitting on the Material, plopping it on film, and putting it in a theater makes me laugh.
I am sure the movie could have been great, and I applaud Trank's attempt at making it his own. by and large it could have been great, and the changes and Casting were good - aside from the changes to Doom.
Doom is untouchable, like Magneto. for him wanting to change doom to the extent of what came out very early on made me want to kick him in the dick.
but everyone needs to realize that it is not 100% Trank's fault that this tripe got released as it is - it's Fox's fault. How many great films or TV shows are ruined because Fax is run by retarded Monkeys who don't know when the frick to get out of the way.
I am sure the movie could have been great, and I applaud Trank's attempt at making it his own. by and large it could have been great, and the changes and Casting were good - aside from the changes to Doom.
Doom is untouchable, like Magneto. for him wanting to change doom to the extent of what came out very early on made me want to kick him in the dick.
but everyone needs to realize that it is not 100% Trank's fault that this tripe got released as it is - it's Fox's fault. How many great films or TV shows are ruined because Fax is run by retarded Monkeys who don't know when the frick to get out of the way.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:05 pm to Thracken13
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Watching Fox's Fantastic Four feels like taking a cheese grater to your soul. Why would you want to take something beautiful and precious and grind it up into flaccid, soggy pulp? It's impossible to explain.
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Maybe we should ask the people who made this dumpster fire dressed as a movie
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Fantastic Four is the worst superhero movie in 20 years
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If the Fantastic Four franchise were a lion, Trank, Kinberg, and Slater would be rotting in a jail cell in Zimbabwe.
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Plus, the Fantastic Four is the superhero team that defined superhero teams. Created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, the four heroes — Reed has the power to stretch himself to impossible limits; Sue can create force fields and become invisible; Johnny can turn into a human fireball; Ben became a stone golem with incredible strength — are some of the most complex and riveting characters Marvel has ever created.
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People say only true fans will appreciate a bad movie — that they, the true believers, will find a way to mitigate hot awfulness and disappointment with empathy. Trank and his team have created the opposite of this: something that's openly hostile to anyone with a tiny bit of interest in the Fantastic Four.
LINK
Secondly, on Marvel's homepage they list films that have been based on Marvel IPs-including films from other studios(even Fox)films like Howard the Duck,Man-Thing and Elektra.... guess which one is missing?
Marvel is more ashamed of this movie than any of those and wants nothing to do with this.
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:41 pm to RonBurgundy
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And really, this is more about art and ip laws.
This is about Marvel having to live with their mistakes. They rented out their top properties with the knowledge that leasing them to others had always resulted in a sub-par product. Now that Marvel is Disney and has their own studio, the idiocy of those past deals are coming to light.
I seriously doubt that Fox is intentionally sabotaging the Fantastic Four film franchise in an effort to "stick it" to Marvel. Fox is still working hard to keep the X-Men franchise strong and growing, I doubt that they're budgeting hundreds of thousands of dollars in a Marvel Revenge fund.
And I refuse to feel sorry for Marvel, a company that screwed over its creators when it was family owned, and then passed from disinterested owner to owner until it ended up as a part of Disney. There's no grand artistic or historic design behind their quest to regain the rights to all of their characters. It's all financial. The comic book audience is secondary and that audience will be fed only those characters that benefit the Marvel film divisions bottom line.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 2:19 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I seriously doubt that Fox is intentionally sabotaging the Fantastic Four film franchise in an effort to "stick it" to Marvel. Fox is still working hard to keep the X-Men franchise strong and growing, I doubt that they're budgeting hundreds of thousands of dollars in a Marvel Revenge fund
They announced a reboot of F4 the day after the sale of Marvel to Disney. LINK
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They aborted a daredevil reboot with a director attached, even though Marvel was willing to grant them an extension if they shared the rights to Silver Surfer and Galactus and Fox said no.Fox's corporate strategy is to put out films to hold onto rights-unless they find no value in said IP(like they foolishly did with DD) they had no real interest in making this F4 movie-shooting a state with heavy tax breaks, an inexpensive cast and a director whose first film was on a shoestring budget.
quote:If you think those within the walls of Marvel are only looking at the bottom line, I believe you have never actually held a conversation with an artist.
There's no grand artistic or historic design behind their quest to regain the rights to all of their characters
quote:and yet this film is so embarrassing to Marvel that they won't even list it next to Elektra.
The comic book audience is secondary and that audience will be fed only those characters that benefit the Marvel film divisions bottom line.
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This is about Marvel having to live with their mistakes
One guy made a bad deal, so the fans have to suffer? The art has to suffer?-even being a fan of X-films,that's just being intellectually dishonest. Fox made a rights grab and is killing an IP.
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Fox is still working hard to keep the X-Men franchise strong and growing
Definitely the solo films, but no one knows what's going on after AoA. Probably another shift in the timeline or a 90s themed X-film. Certainly not the crossover you were pushing for a week ago.
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And I refuse to feel sorry for Marvel, a company that screwed over its creators when it was family owned, and then passed from disinterested owner to owner until it ended up as a part of Disney.
Speaking of living with their mistakes, Marvel hasn't been like that for 20 years. They pay their creators very well.
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 2:31 pm to RonBurgundy
Variety-Hollywood can't get the F4 right
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For years, the Fantastic Four immodestly bore the title “The World’s Greatest Comic Magazine.” Introduced in 1961, the title ushered in the age of Marvel Comics, inaugurating the creative explosion of writer Stan Lee and artist Jack Kirby, which has been compared in musical terms to John Lennon and Paul McCartney during the Beatles’ heyday.
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Not only has the newest project been bludgeoned by critics, but the director, Josh Trank, responded by implying that the studio, 20th Century Fox, was responsible for its failings. Whatever the underlying truth, for comicbook fans it raises the specter of the bad old days, when studios abused comics by refusing to take the source material seriously.
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So why hasn’t anybody been able to successfully tackle “Fantastic Four,” which was not only a groundbreaking comic — predating Spider-Man, the Hulk and a host of Marvel titles that followed — but arguably more enjoyable to read than most of them? For those reasons, it’s a question that rankles comicbook fans more than most, despite Marvel’s other cinematic triumphs.
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Of course, the fact that Fox is distributing the movie speaks in part to the property’s complicated past, having been parceled off (along with X-Men and Spider-Man) during a period in the mid-1990s in which Marvel declared bankruptcy.
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The obvious argument is that Marvel, since taking control of its own destiny, has simply done all this better, exhibiting a love for and respect toward the source material that was, historically, often lacking. The studio’s interlocking world, its Marvel universe, has become an organic entity that supports and buttresses even the lesser titles.
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While comic books can — and frequently have — hit the reset button, exploring alternate scenarios and universes, when it comes to movie franchises that cost more than $100 million to produce, there are only so many bites at the apple or trips into orbit. Just ask Green Lantern. Because whatever the complicated mix of factors that has hobbled Fantastic Four, the bottom line is that Hollywood has once again made the “World’s Greatest Comic Magazine” look perfectly ordinary.
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 3:06 pm to RonBurgundy
yea but
Posted on 8/9/15 at 3:15 pm to RonBurgundy
Damn Ron, I have to give you major props. I've never seen anyone fight this much over a film property. This shite must mean a lot to you 
But what happens now, does F4 really have a chance to go back to Marvel?
But what happens now, does F4 really have a chance to go back to Marvel?
Posted on 8/9/15 at 3:47 pm to RLDSC FAN
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The toxicity surrounding Fox’s Fantastic Four reboot has denied the studio what should have been an easy box office victory this morning. Both the original Fantastic Four (2005) and its 2007 sequel opened with over $55 million. Projections for this latest Marvel Comics property were in the $45 million range. In terms of previous Marvel adaptations, that would have put the new Fantastic Four on par with Sony’s Ghost Rider, from 2007. But that didn’t happen. Instead, F4 earned an estimated $26.2 million from its 3,995 locations. That is more than Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance managed in 2012, but it still puts the film at the back of the pack in terms of Marvel Comics debuts.
The collapse of Fantastic Four means that Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation remains the number one movie in North America. The fifth film in the M:I franchise pulled in an estimated $29.4 million from 3,988 locations, including 365 IMAX screens.
Ouch!!
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:01 pm to RLDSC FAN
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That is more than Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance managed in 2012, but it still puts the film at the back of the pack in terms of Marvel Comics debuts.
thing is Ghost Rider 2 only cost $57 million to make (earned $132m WW) and was in 821 fewer theaters on release.
so... double ouch
also, its not going to be saved by overseas business
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The movie also stumbles overseas for one of the lowest global starts in history for a big-budget superhero movie.
Overseas, where Hollywood tentpoles often make up ground, the news was mostly grim as Fantastic Four launched to a tepid $34.1 million from 43 markets for a global bow of $60.3 million (one standout market was Mexico with $5.1 million).
No one's sure what the film's start means for the sequel, which is already dated for June 2017.
"While we're disappointed, we remain committed to these characters and we have a lot to look forward to in our Marvel universe," said Fox domestic distribution chief Chris Aronson, declining to comment specifically on Fantastic Four 2.
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This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:41 pm to Dr RC
Why'd they reboot it anyhow?
Posted on 8/9/15 at 5:41 pm to Korin
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Why'd they reboot it anyhow?
because in their licensing contract, the film rights expire if Fox doesn't at least begin filming every seven years. If they fail to do that the rights automatically revert back home to Marvel (and now Marvel Studios).
The same goes for the X-Men.
They've seen DD revert back for nothing. Ghost Rider was sold back.
Namor, who is tied in with Universal, has the oddest deal of all of them, with apparently no deadline to make a film...but also can't be done without Marvel being heavily involved. The specifics of the deal are relatively unknown.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 6:58 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 8/9/15 at 7:33 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:quote:If you think those within the walls of Marvel are only looking at the bottom line, I believe you have never actually held a conversation with an artist.
There's no grand artistic or historic design behind their quest to regain the rights to all of their characters
If you think that the decision to kill the FF comic, remove all references to the film on their site, and to replace the focus on the X-Men with a focus on The Inhumans were made by artists, then you're being incredibly naive.
They want the FF, X-Men, and Spider-Man back in their fold because their properties are making cash or are capable of making cash for competing studios. They're not hugging at those board meeting sobbing about bringing Spider-Man "home". They're planning how that would affect their bottom line.
quote:quote:One guy made a bad deal, so the fans have to suffer? The art has to suffer?-even being a fan of X-films,that's just being intellectually dishonest. Fox made a rights grab and is killing an IP.
This is about Marvel having to live with their mistakes
Fox did not grab any rights. Marvel sold them to Fox. No gun to Marvel's head, they wanted the cash and they got it. The fans have been suffering from Marvel's mistakes since Stan ran off Jack and Steve. This is nothing new. It's not the world against Marvel and their fans. Marvel's greed and pettiness has done just as much damage as any outside force.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 7:48 pm to Bham4Tide
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I feel for them. I kinda feel for the actors in this film as well.
If Creed is any good, Michael Jordan will have a decent boost. From what I hear he is the best actor in this movie.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 7:52 pm to RonBurgundy
eight year old step daughter saw the trailer and said "that's not how the fantastic four get their powers" Even she knew. I im in the minority that liked the original (Alba one) but hated the sequel. It could of been better, yes, but I still liked it.
Sad to see the FF treated so poorly. Fold them into Marvel after the fifth Avengers.
Sad to see the FF treated so poorly. Fold them into Marvel after the fifth Avengers.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 7:52 pm to Napoleon
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I feel for them. I kinda feel for the actors in this film as well.
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If Creed is any good, Michael Jordan will have a decent boost. From what I hear he is the best actor in this movie.
I don't think that anyone is blaming the actors on this one. It's obvious that the direction and problems behind the camera are at fault.
Teller and Jordan have great careers going, no problems for them.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 9:15 pm to Fewer Kilometers
The lesson here is when you make stupid casting decisions based on political correctness and go against everything fans know about your comic book franchise.
Then you don't get to be surprised when your movie turns into a dumpster fire and they most loyal fans who you are courting shite on you.
Then you don't get to be surprised when your movie turns into a dumpster fire and they most loyal fans who you are courting shite on you.
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