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re: If Barry Bonds would have retired in 1998.. HOF?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:47 pm to goldenbadger08
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:47 pm to goldenbadger08
It's an irrelevant point. The (misguided) idea behind keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF has nothing to do with the idea that they wouldn't have been good enough without roids, it's to punish them for being cheaters and defiling the integrity of the game. The (hypocritical) logic behind keeping them out is the view that their actions--not their lack of "clean" baseball resumes--make them unworthy of the HOF.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:52 pm to Jamohn
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It's an irrelevant point. The (misguided) idea behind keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF has nothing to do with the idea that they wouldn't have been good enough without roids, it's to punish them for being cheaters and defiling the integrity of the game. The (hypocritical) logic behind keeping them out is the view that their actions--not their lack of "clean" baseball resumes--make them unworthy of the HOF.
Yet there are admitted cheaters already in the HOF. The whole thing's a shite show.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:18 pm to Jamohn
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Posted by Jamohn on 7/2/15 at 12:47 pm to goldenbadger08 It's an irrelevant point. The (misguided) idea behind keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF has nothing to do with the idea that they wouldn't have been good enough without roids, it's to punish them for being cheaters and defiling the integrity of the game. The (hypocritical) logic behind keeping them out is the view that their actions--not their lack of "clean" baseball resumes--make them unworthy of the HOF.
Gaylord Perry says hi from Cooperstown!
Seriously, you hit the nail on the head. It also points out the fast that another guy who was absolutely clean isn't in....2 time MVP Dale Murphy.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 7:50 pm to Jamohn
The BS part of the "clean" logic is that the kinds so arbitrary. Baseball more than any other sport has always been about bending the rules as much as possible- Cobb sharpened spikes and probably traded hits, Multiple HOFs were known for their ability to throw spitballs or scuff pitches, players took speed for more than a generation but it's a class of substance which let's you train harder and which wasn't specifically banned for much of the high usage period that has people up in arms?
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