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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:36 am to GrammarKnotsi
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:36 am to GrammarKnotsi
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You're pulling this whole "he didn't have a gun in his car" angle out of your arse with nothing to back up your claim.
I have multiple news articles stating he was unarmed backing up my claim. You've not got jack shite though other than you're own ignorance bias claiming he had any weapon.
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:37 am to Darth_Vader
Most of those bikers have forfeited those rights by crimes they've committed.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:38 am to Rebelgator
I think that kid that killed his mom and shot up that school up north and commited suicide used his moms assault rifle. His mom was doing some kind of training with a group of local semi-militants to protect the community should shut break out.
I often wonder if much if America is just insane. Doesn't make any sense to always be prepared for killing. And I'm former USMC.
I often wonder if much if America is just insane. Doesn't make any sense to always be prepared for killing. And I'm former USMC.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:40 am to Pettifogger
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Like I said, when it comes out in places other than a blog, I might get riled up. But while Aging Rebel may be respected in lots of circles, I'm going to hold out for a source that isn't notoriously pro-biker and neutral, at worst, toward OMCs.
When it comes out in other places?
What part of "AP article in the Star Telegram" are you not understanding?
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BY EMILY SCHMALL
The Associated Press
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:41 am to Darth_Vader
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I have multiple news articles stating he was unarmed backing up my claim.
I never said he was armed..I said he could have been going to the vehicle for a weapon, which YOU said were in the vehicles...
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:41 am to Darth_Vader
I saw your non-AR articles, but most of the details I've seen you reference come from Aging Rebel.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:44 am to Rebelgator
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Most of those bikers have forfeited those rights by crimes they've committed.
More ignorance on your part....
AP: Majority of 170 bikers arrested have no convictions in Texas
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Records searched by The Associated Press show more than 115 of the 170 people arrested in the aftermath of a motorcycle gang shootout outside a Central Texas restaurant have not been convicted of a crime in Texas.
‘Bear’ Kirschner, local biker gunned down in Waco, had no criminal record, like most others there
quote:
Two things:
From dignitymemorial.com
From dignitymemorial.com
1) Our databases at The News show no criminal history for Kirschner. In fact, the AP ran a story on the 170 bikers arrested after the shootout. The bottom line: Most of them had no criminal history.
That makes me question the police’s blanket use of the word “gangs” when describing the bikers killed and arrested in Waco that day. Relatives of one deceased man insisted he was unaffiliated. Jesus Delgado was a 65-year-old decorated Marine veteran who rode motorcycles but was a member of no club, they said.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:45 am to GrammarKnotsi
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I never said he was armed..I said he could have been going to the vehicle for a weapon, which YOU said were in the vehicles...
There is no report of any firearms in his vehicle. You're making connections with literally nothing to back them up.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:46 am to Darth_Vader
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When it comes out in other places?
Ok, we'll work with your linked article:
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Waco police have said they returned fire after being shot at,
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the shooting began during an apparent confrontation between the Bandidos, the predominant motorcycle club in Texas, and the Cossacks, and it then spilled into the parking lot
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“They have an AR-15,” he said in the next dispatch.
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police shot fewer rounds than the bikers
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AK-47 in the car
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318 weapons were collected, including that gun, handguns, brass knuckles, knives and chains.
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Nearly all of those arrested were charged with engaging in organized crime
I can piece this shite together to spin my side too...
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:55 am to Darth_Vader
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quote: Records searched by The Associated Press show more than 115 of the 170 people arrested in the aftermath of a motorcycle gang shootout outside a Central Texas restaurant have not been convicted of a crime in Texas.
There are 49 other states.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:57 am to GrammarKnotsi
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Waco police have said they returned fire after being shot at,
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Waco police have said they returned fire after being shot at,
Literally no witness, biker or otherwise has come forward to say anyone fired at police.
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the shooting began during an apparent confrontation between the Bandidos, the predominant motorcycle club in Texas, and the Cossacks, and it then spilled into the parking lot
There are witness who have said two men pulled guns and one fired at another biker and hit him in the shoulder. Again, not firing at police.
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“They have an AR-15,” he said in the next dispatch.
There are multiple articles out today, some I've already linked, not counting the Rebel stating there was only ONE semi-auto rifle found at the scene and it was locked up in a car. So there's another hole in the cops story.
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police shot fewer rounds than the bikers
Yet another lie from the cops. Those same articles, not just the Rebel, are all stating witnesses attest to only a couple shots from bikers and those were at other bikers while multiple cops opened up with M4's firing hundreds of rounds.
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AK-47 in the car
Locked up and not used in whatever happened so it had nothing to do with this story.
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318 weapons were collected, including that gun, handguns, brass knuckles, knives and chains.
Considering they are calling wallets on chains and vest extenders "weapons", this is just another line of bullshite from the Waco PD.
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Nearly all of those arrested were charged with engaging in organized crime
And there's nine different camera angles inside Twin Peaks that according to AP all show that the people inside never took part in any fight and instead only took cover from the firing outside, which other reports, including AP are pointing to the overwhelming majority of of the fire being directed towards Twin Peaks from the Waco PD.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:00 am to Darth_Vader
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There are witness who have said two men pulled guns and one fired at another biker and hit him in the shoulder. Again, not firing at police.
Well, shite.
Guess this was all just a big misunderstanding. Those bikers were just shooting at each other with reckless disregard for human life. How dare the cops stop it.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:10 am to Darth_Vader
I am truly amazed that so very many otherwise sensible and good men are willing to give up their rights and liberties in the name of security.
Surely, even the most pro law enforcement can see that in this one incident, the heavy handed approach by law enforcement was over the top. Information and videos are being witheld. Rights are being violated.
Simply being in the company of criminals does not make one guilty of a crime.
Surely, even the most pro law enforcement can see that in this one incident, the heavy handed approach by law enforcement was over the top. Information and videos are being witheld. Rights are being violated.
Simply being in the company of criminals does not make one guilty of a crime.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:11 am to Rebelgator
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How dare the cops stop it
By firing hundreds of rounds into a crowd, yeah good decision by the cops C'mon man. I get it there were criminals there, one or two of them did something stupid and illegal, but that doesn't give the cops the right to shoot at people not involved or arrest and hold people not involved. Please tell me why they used a JP and not a judge to set bonds and file charges.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:12 am to cusoonkpd
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Simply being in the company of criminals does not make one guilty of a crime.
No, but involvement in a criminal enterprise might.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:14 am to Pettifogger
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No, but involvement in a criminal enterprise might.
Ok please link me anything that says the COC&I in Texas is a criminal enterprise.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:18 am to Agforlife
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Ok please link me anything that says the COC&I in Texas is a criminal enterprise.
Who said it was? Of course, I'm sure you'll admit that there are entities in the COC which likely are/involve criminal enterprises, yes?
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:19 am to Agforlife
Well, it's Texas.
Did you honestly expect reasonableness from anyone?
Did you honestly expect reasonableness from anyone?
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:21 am to Agforlife
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Ok please link me anything that says the COC&I in Texas is a criminal enterprise
He can't but that doesn't matter. They were bikers and deserve whatever happens. To people like him and the others trying to justify what the Waco PD did just being a biker is a crime. And they're fine with punishment for that crime being summary execution.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:22 am to Darth_Vader
I can't believe this thread is still going.
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